News RUMOR: Whittaker potentially leaving

[StCoop]

Interview with Chibnall on his departure here:

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/chris-chibnall-leaving-doctor-who-newsupdate/

As with every other interview he's done it's pretty bland and generic stuff. The one interesting thing in it is the fact that finding a replacement was as hard for him as it was for Moffat.

Doctor Who. The show everyone wants to be part of but no one wants to be in charge of. Bizarre.

 

[Starkers]

Maybe JMS should have thrown his hat into the ring sooner!

Actually it does seem like the BBC were identifying specific individuals rather than casting their net as wide as possible so maybe that's part of the reason? There might be loads of people interested but if they never knew there was a vacancy how could they express an interest? For a show that's been banging on about diversity and inclusivity lately there's a certain irony there.

Beyond this I guess you have the following reasons.

• It's hard work
• It can be pretty thankless (as Chibnall no doubt can attest)
• You're playing in someone else's sandbox rather than truly creating your own universe

But all of the above apply to any existing property and Trek never seems to lack for showrunners.

Maybe the money's crap?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Which is pretty much what the Timeless Child sets up, IMO. They just need the Quantum Leap bar to sign off on it.

The Doctor appears to be an elemental or a Boltzmann brain that the Time Lords lost control of after trying to exploit and tame it. Having no beginning and no end, there is no such thing as a prequel in the Doctor's timeline. it would be interesting to go back to before Hartnell's Doctor on an extended basis from our point of view but it would simultaneously be both the Doctor's past and future. The barkeep could be played by the Doctor as well, perhaps a previous version. Of course, they might just go with the Master was lying all along. I'd be against the Master also being an elemental in a sort of Good Omens vibe - a bit trite. Quantum Leap also did the bad leaper, of course, but didn't make much of it.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

But it was the Bartender that pulled Sam Beckett off course wasn't it? I remember him saying as much in the final episode.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

But it was the Bartender that pulled Sam Beckett off course wasn't it? I remember him saying as much in the final episode.

It's too long since I saw it. All I remember is Sam never returns home. However, he is not a closed time-like loop. His perceived future is not also his past unless he were to leap permanently back into himself before he started leaping...I think...migraine coming on in three, two, one...

 

[Orphalesion]

Sid was badly underused in Game of Thrones as well - not that more Sid would have prevented that series ending as a almighty clusterfuck.

Well it would have helped if they had adapted the proper Dorn storyline from the later books instead of serving us that reeking pile of diarreah they put on camera.
And that would have entailed more Sid, so it would have improved the show.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Maybe JMS should have thrown his hat into the ring sooner!

Actually it does seem like the BBC were identifying specific individuals rather than casting their net as wide as possible so maybe that's part of the reason? There might be loads of people interested but if they never knew there was a vacancy how could they express an interest? For a show that's been banging on about diversity and inclusivity lately there's a certain irony there.

Beyond this I guess you have the following reasons.

• It's hard work
• It can be pretty thankless (as Chibnall no doubt can attest)
• You're playing in someone else's sandbox rather than truly creating your own universe

But all of the above apply to any existing property and Trek never seems to lack for showrunners.

Maybe the money's crap?

I think you had it right the first time: The BBC is only asking certain individuals and not casting a wider net...which is incredibly frustrating.

But I also imagine the combination of the other reasons you mentioned are playing a part in it as well.

 

[Mr Awe]

But hadn't GRRM told them what was going to happen and given them the structure of the novels? All the narrative choices were GRRM's surely? Won't argue they didn't rush it because they did but I never got the impression they were heading anywhere GRRM didn't want them to go.

I like the nature of the ending to GOT. There were actually hints all along the lead to this point. And, GRRM's characters were all about making bad choices. For me, it all fits.

What I didn't like was the rushed nature. Things happened too fast. However, I gather that was from production necessities, budget and actors wanting to move on.

Story-wise, I thought the ending was good. Production-wise, not so much.

 

[Mr Awe]

Interview with Chibnall on his departure here:

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/chris-chibnall-leaving-doctor-who-newsupdate/

As with every other interview he's done it's pretty bland and generic stuff. The one interesting thing in it is the fact that finding a replacement was as hard for him as it was for Moffat.

Doctor Who. The show everyone wants to be part of but no one wants to be in charge of. Bizarre.

Historically, finding someone to run the show has been the challenging part, dating back to to at least JNT days. However, I suspect it goes back further as they had to hoodwink/convince both Lett's and Hinchecliffe into doing it. Relative newbies at the time who didn't know better!

 

[DigificWriter]

One last off-topic comment:
The argument that the end to Dany's story on GoT was telegraphed doesn't hold up against the creators' on-camera and in-print comments about her or against the overwhelming public interpretation of her portrayal.

 

[Mr Awe]

But all of the above apply to any existing property and Trek never seems to lack for showrunners.

Maybe the money's crap?

I suspect that money is pretty crap relative to say their ST counterparts. I think we'd all be shocked by the amount.

DW showrunners probably also have less administrative/creative support relative to other franchises. That compounds the problems caused by the other issues you mention.

 

[Kor]

If the series were to end forever, heresy I know, I'd like the Doctor being a paradoxical closed time-like loop, perhaps created by the universe itself as an error correction mechanism for underlying hypercomputation in branchial space.

Closed timelike curve - Wikipedia
Hypercomputation - Wikipedia
Finally We May Have a Path to the Fundamental Theory of Physics… and It’s Beautiful—Stephen Wolfram Writings

What if the current doctor ends up being thrown backwards thousands of years in time in some fatal cataclysm that causes them to regenerate as a child with no memories, thus becoming the Timeless Child in the first place?

Kor

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Well getting back in time isn't a problem, of course. Regenerating as a child might be a defensive tactic against some threat. Redacting memories appears to be a technology known to the Time Lords - perhaps performed on the Doctor more than once. However, all the Timeless Child stuff might be ignored by RTD. It just doesn't feel like his bag to me.

 

[matthunter]

Redacting memories appears to be a technology known to the Time Lords - perhaps performed on the Doctor more than once.

Well-known.

Jamie and Zoe.

Third Doctor being wiped of his dematerialisation codes.

Donna...

 

[Starkers]

One last off-topic comment:
The argument that the end to Dany's story on GoT was telegraphed doesn't hold up against the creators' on-camera and in-print comments about her or against the overwhelming public interpretation of her portrayal.

Sadly the subtext passed many people by but this was clearly always GRRM's intent.

Showrunners aren't beholden to tell you exactly what's coming, God it'd be a dull world if they were. You must really hate Moffat

One final point though. Anyone who thinks crucifying hundreds, or burning unarmed people alive simply because they refused to bend the knee are signs of a hero is worrying. I dunno, maybe they should have given her a black hat or a twirly moustache or something?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well didn't River regenerate as a kid?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Sadly the subtext passed many people by but this was clearly always GRRM's intent.

Showrunners aren't beholden to tell you exactly what's coming, God it'd be a dull world if they were. You must really hate Moffat

One final point though. Anyone who thinks crucifying hundreds, or burning unarmed people alive simply because they refused to bend the knee are signs of a hero is worrying. I dunno, maybe they should have given her a black hat or a twirly moustache or something?

At the risk of diverting the thread even further...

Oh yeah, I was long, long expecting Daenerys to go Mad Queen in the end. My biggest issue was that the moment wasn't earned within the episode itself. It felt like there was no triggering moment. It just happened.

 

[Starkers]

At the risk of diverting the thread even further...

Oh yeah, I was long, long expecting Daenerys to go Mad Queen in the end. My biggest issue was that the moment wasn't earned within the episode itself. It felt like there was no triggering moment. It just happened.

Yes (last post, promise) the trigger was a bit random, but the road leading up to it was littered with corpses (for me it was her white saviour moment where she basked in the adoration of all those freed slaves that first tipped me off to the fact she wasn't necessarily one of the good guys)

 

[Mr Awe]

At the risk of diverting the thread even further...

Oh yeah, I was long, long expecting Daenerys to go Mad Queen in the end. My biggest issue was that the moment wasn't earned within the episode itself. It felt like there was no triggering moment. It just happened.

As I pointed out up thread, that change was signposted throughout. Also, production issues, namely the need to end the series that season, truncated many story aspects, including that one. For me, that was the unfortunate aspect!

 

[The Wormhole]

All I know is I never watched Game of Thrones, so I'm completely lost in this thread now.