Politeness question for little people

[Deckerd]

Only treating people according to their abilities. Would you let someone with F grades in math work as an accountant?

For all we know someone who failed at school could become an excellent accountant. I dare say many have. You don't decide what people's abilities are. Your arrogance is jaw-dropping.

So is probably the arrogance of the regular staff manager.

The big point you're unwilling to grasp is that being deaf is not a barrier. It does not prevent one from having a meaningful, useful life, and furthermore, it's people like you with you're "oh, you're deaf, you CAN'T" attitude that has created the need for Deaf Culture in the first place.

Dude, all I'm saying is that it's considered a disability. Hearing impairment is a sensory disability. Look it up if you like. Who said they can't live a useful life? When did I say I'd discriminate them?

Let's say I were a music manager and a deaf person sends me a great demo reel. Done deal. Who cares?

What you guys are doing is the typical overreaction of the PC crowd. Someone says "a blind person can't see", "a paraplegic can't run" and everyone shouts "discrimination!" This is actually what makes it hard for most people to treat people with disabilities right, because they always fear the overreacting backlash. You can't treat people equally if they aren't equal, that's the totally wrong way of dealing with it. People with dwarfism will always need their book shelves a meter lower to the ground, or a ladder to reach them. A paraplegic can't drive a normal car, it needs adjustments. An amputee can't run, unless he gets an appliance. That's a simple truth. Why try to ignore this fact and live in some sort of hypocrisy, and ambush everyone who addresses these differences? That way no one will ever be treated with the proper respect.

I think the two of you are talking about two different things except that you haven't worked that out yet. One of you is talking about labelling people so that he feels better about marginalising them and the other is talking about how special disabled people are and how they can do anything they want. They're just people guys, same as everyone else.

 

[Kelthaz]

Go watch the Buffy episode where she gets the power to hear other's thoughts. Then come back and we'll talk.

That's the problem with using a supernatural ability as a metaphor. It doesn't work too well.

Anyway, I did a bit of googling on this. I found a deaf forum where they were debating the ethics of genetically engineering babies to be born deaf. The vast majority thought it was sick and cruel. I'm going with the deaf people on this one.

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our-culture/37199-genetically-creating-deaf-children.html

 

[captcalhoun]

i'm of the opinion that if your body does not function 100% the way nature intended, whether it's being deaf, blind, mute, a malformed leg, losing a leg in combat or an accident, whatever, you're disabled. maybe you can and do live a profitable life, maybe you can cope, and more power to your elbow if you can, but the fact is, if your body is not 100 over 100, you're disabled.

 

[Deckerd]

My feeling is that people who say to somebody different to them "I say you're disabled, so you are no matter what you think about yourself" are actually the ones who aren't normal.

Disabled people dislike being called 'with disability' because it's society that disables them, not their own limitations.

 

[captcalhoun]

it's a clinical fact, that's all. your body is not completely able, so you're DISabled. like i said, if people cope, all well and good. i know a guy with one arm. dude rides a motor-trike, so clearly, he's coping. fact is, he's still only got one arm, so he's still disabled.

i'm not putting anyone down, it's a simply a biological fact.

 

[Deckerd]

No it's a label. A one-armed man is different from a little person. A little person is different from a deaf person. Lumping them under one convenient label just because they're not like you is discrimination.

 

[captcalhoun]

i wear glasses. i'm disabled too.

and at this point, i'm not having anything more to do with this thread which is so far off-topic it'll take 70 years to get back at maximum warp.

 

[Roger Wilco]

if your body is not 100 over 100, you're disabled.

Some people can taste stuff way better than I can; some people can run, jump and lift stuff much better than me, some people can listen to melodies once and immediately repeat them which I can't and some people can decipher writings from a distance where I see only blurs without my glasses on. Does that make me disabled?

It's not stricly black and white.

 

[RoJoHen]

I think people are just getting way too touchy about the word "disabled."

 

[JarodRussell]

I think people are just getting way too touchy about the word "disabled."

He said "disabled". Stone him!

 

[scotpens]

. . . Dude, all I'm saying is that it's considered a disability. Hearing impairment is a sensory disability. Look it up if you like. Who said they can't live a useful life? When did I say I'd discriminate them?

. . . What you guys are doing is the typical overreaction of the PC crowd. Someone says "a blind person can't see", "a paraplegic can't run" and everyone shouts "discrimination!" This is actually what makes it hard for most people to treat people with disabilities right, because they always fear the overreacting backlash. You can't treat people equally if they aren't equal, that's the totally wrong way of dealing with it. People with dwarfism will always need their book shelves a meter lower to the ground, or a ladder to reach them. A paraplegic can't drive a normal car, it needs adjustments. An amputee can't run, unless he gets an appliance. That's a simple truth. Why try to ignore this fact and live in some sort of hypocrisy, and ambush everyone who addresses these differences? That way no one will ever be treated with the proper respect.

Hear, hear.

And now, back to the topic, sort of. Did you know that Billy Barty and Michael Dunn hated each other? Barty thought Dunn was a snob, with his "serious actor" image and all. Dunn, who never joined the LPA, thought of Barty as an "Uncle Tom Thumb."

 

[Maestro]

Shit, I'm hearing. As far as I'm concerned, deafness is a disability. I was just advocating the position of hard core Deaf Culture. I tend to think they're wing nuts too.

 

[scotpens]

Shit, I'm hearing. As far as I'm concerned, deafness is a disability. I was just advocating the position of hard core Deaf Culture. I tend to think they're wing nuts too.

You wouldn't happen to be a trial lawyer, would you?

 

[JarodRussell]

Isn't saying something you don't agree with in order to annoy other people considered trolling, eh, I mean lawyering?

 

[propita]

I've personally preferred knowing when someone is acting more as an advocate, especially as a strong advocate. It seems that such advocates often take an extreme and uncompromising position as part of their advocacy. While understandable for their point, it may lead to intentional misinterpretation of their "opponent's" position for the advocate's own purpose, putting their "opponent" on the defense and continually having to explain the intentionally misinterpreted statement. If continued, it seems cruel and even bullying.

This is merely my opinion from having been put in that defensive position, only to have the "advocate" say something like, "I was just trying to prove a point" or "You don't need to get so upset." That's bs; it's what bullies say, which most of us have heard at some point in our lives.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

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Word! Propita speaks the truth, particularly on the bully issue.

 

[Maestro]

Isn't saying something you don't agree with in order to annoy other people considered trolling, eh, I mean lawyering?

Go ahead. Hit the Notify button if you have a problem with me advocating for Deaf Culture.

 

[propita]

"I rest my case."

Hey, Sho-Rin! Hope all is well with you and the Mrs. Sho-Rin. We're going to be in your area July, coming in the 14th, likely busy the 15th and the morning/afternoon of the 16th, and leaving the 17th. How's your calendar?

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

"I rest my case."

Hey, Sho-Rin! Hope all is well with you and the Mrs. Sho-Rin. We're going to be in your area July, coming in the 14th, likely busy the 15th and the morning/afternoon of the 16th, and leaving the 17th. How's your calendar?

The good Lady Sho-Rin will likely still be in KY dealing with the decline of her mother and step-dad. My location will be a mystery for a while still as the new job is full of travel and that week is currently open for business. I'll put y'all in the calendar and let you know what happens.

 

[RandyS]

I think people are just getting way too touchy about the word "disabled."

Agreed.