I concur unfortunately it is a real problem.
News "Police: Fight over Star Wars and Star Trek led to assault"
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I don't see it as a problem. I see it more as a freak occurence. Not all that different than 2 drunk guys at a football game getting into a fight. I hear this used to happen a lot at Oakland Raiders games and then you got those moments of fans tossing stuff on a field and who can forget Philly fans for once booing Santa Claus.
Jason
I thought the sequel did a better job showing Trek fandom with more balanced people in it, but yeah, the first Trekkies was not Trek fandom at its best.
I couldn't watch Trekkies in a single sitting. It was too (vicariously) embarrassing; I felt too much Fremdscham.
But are the stereotypes, negative ones? I think the only one that felt a little off was the lady who moved close to Brent Spiner's home I think it was because she was obsessed with him. Some might say the lady who wore a starfleet uniform to jury duty but she seemed like a okay person. Is she the problem or us for judging the clothes she wants to wear?
Jason
Yes. Yes they are.
I have loved and lived Trek since 1974 when I first discovered it.
HOWEVER...
Do I go to jury duty in a Starfleet uniform?
No.
Do I get my ears and eyebrows surgically altered to appear as if I'm really a Vulcan?
No.
Do I weld TOS-style nacelles onto my car and glue "Galileo" decals on the hood?
No.
It is an unfair shellacking of the fanbase as a whole, cherry-picking out some of the most extreme examples of damn near dysfunctional individuals. Many of them are in need of professional help, not camera time in a feature film to enable and showcase their "eccentricities" that can be ...and are... misinterpreted by the non-initiated masses as being the rule, rather than the exception, of the greater whole.
Just. Fucking. NO.
If they aren't hurting anyone though I just don't see the issue. In the end it doesn't matter what the world thinks of us. I think religion is pretty silly for example but if people are into that then who am I to judge them for it. I even think some of that stuff they do in the movie is silly but like religion it also doesn't seem to be enough reason to judge them to harshly. People only become problem if they are hurting other people and i'm not sure being used as a example of being weird counts as hurting people.
Plus I think most of the people in the movie come off as a decent human beings even if they do seem silly or strange and to me that is more important.
Jason
A little bit of jostling between Trek fans and 'Wars fans is fun.
And I don't care if that gives fans a "bad name" with whoever or whatever.
And I don't care if that gives fans a "bad name" with whoever or whatever.
This kind of stuff happens a LOT with sports fanatics, and nobody bats an eye. Sports fandom gets a pass while sci-fi fandom doesn't.
There's a whole culture of violent football (soccer) hooliganism in many countries where that sport is popular. And the last time the (American) football team in my area won the Superbowl, hordes of joyous fans marched around town "celebrating" by smashing things, destroying light fixtures, and engaging in other senseless acts of vandalism out of the sheer delight of having the local boys win.
But when a couple of skiffy fans get into a little tussle that's milder than any of the fights I witnessed on nearly a daily basis at my high school, it earns a whole piece on Fox News. Really?
Kor
But they are. They are hurting the perception of the fandom and makes us all look like completely dysfunctional individuals who are incapable of effectively interacting with the non-fandom "mundane" world.
Despite the fact that geek culture has become, admittedly, a lot more mainstream in the past couple of decades, there is still a stigma associated with overt expressions of geekdom like what is shown in those movies. Next time you go on a job interview, wear a Trek or Wars costume, and tell me how that works out.
"They told me to dress for the job I want, not the job I have. Now, here I am sitting in a disciplinary hearing dressed as Boba Fett."
Yes but what does perception really mean? If I wore a starfleet uniform all day what does it matter to me if some guy in Alabama thinks I am nuts. I will never see that guy in my life and even if people in my town thinks that it still doesn't matter. I could care less what any my neighbors think about me right now and I doubt I would much care anymore if I started dressing up in costumes. If they can't see me for me then that is their lost.
Also the lady who went to juror duty had a job. Remember she wanted all of her co-workers to call her commander. You had one guy who was a dentist. I figure almost everyone in the movie was employed. It actually takes money to do some of those things like making your truck look like a starfleet ship and the money has to come from someone working.
Jason
Yea they are. After that fan went to a trial with a Starfleet uniform, they had to dismiss her with a consequent loss of time and taxpayers' money.
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But they didn't have to dismiss her. If she was wearing a Boston Celtics jersey I don't think they would do it. Just because someone looks different doesn't mean they aren't capable of rational thought. I thought they only dismissed people if they feel like the person can't be in partial. Not sure why a starfleet uniform would give off that vibe.
Jason
Because all the media outlets were talking about her? We don't have juries here, but I'm quite sure that a juror shouldn't be the focus of a trial.
"Please, ignore the juror with a Star Trek uniform, a phaser and a tricorder and who demands to be called 'Commander' and let's talk the present case"
ETA: By the way, she wasn't dismissed because of the uniform, but because he violated the courts directive not to talk to the media.
If your passion for a tv shows drives you to ignore a Judge's order, well, I believe that there is some serious problem here.
ETA: By the way, she wasn't dismissed because of the uniform, but because he violated the courts directive not to talk to the media.
If your passion for a tv shows drives you to ignore a Judge's order, well, I believe that there is some serious problem here.
This is my homeboy Bernard on the scene. Makin' front page news and doin' his time, once again. That's how it is in the hood. That little jedi b**** best wise up before he gets smacked up. He's just lucky my dawg didn't use the Vulcan Nerve Pinch on his a**. And if you're reading this, you jedi wannabe, you know we'll find you and we're unemotional, logical killers so you BEST KEEP THAT PANSY GEORGE LUCAS S*** BACK ON THE WEST SIDE, BOYYYYY.
REPRESENT, REPRESENT.
REPRESENT, REPRESENT.
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