Within a span of 1-2 years nog went from a cadet to Lieutenant(jnr gade)what did he do to get these promotions that more seniors officers didn't do during the dominion war.
nog's promotions
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Officer promotions happen faster during wartime, less because of deaths among officers, more because new units and divisions are formed. Nog's promotion is in line with this, as new officers would be needed as others were reassigned. Sisko leaving the Defiant for a desk job created a needs that were at least partially satisfied by making Nog a permanent officer. What is less consistent is that both Sisko and Dax did not also receive promotions at that time--Dax probably should have been made a full commander.
Perhaps not right away, but Sisko should have been an admiral--not a badmiral, but a badassmiral--by the end of the series.
I'm sure I've read an account of Sisko being promoted to commodore during his desk-jockey tenure under Admiral Ross, possibly in the Dominion War novelizations. Does that ring a bell with anyone else?
^I am not myself familiar with the novels. From a functional perspective, Sisko should have obtained some additional rank with his promotion and larger importance in war planning. On the other hand, it would work against the grain of his character's arc for him to continue to care about his career. He admits that he is mostly concerned about his relationship with Bajor, not his promotions.
It does sound that Nog had a standard time on his promotions, although he was ahead anyway as he got a field promotion to Ensign earlier than he should (iirc).
Now promotions for others is a bit trickier, for instance should Sisko be promoted to admiral (I believe that commodore was phased out by that time but correct me if I am wrong), chances are he would have had to accept a reduction in rank back to captain to once again be in charge of the station (it was probably only a captains billet), as for Dax being full commander would probably have caused a problem due to her holding a higher rank than Kira as XO (although I suppose you could have given her promotion earlier than she did on the show as well) but given the size of the station they would have already had:-
1 Captain
1 Major (equivelent to Lt commander)
2 Lt commanders (I dont recall if Worf and eddington were there at the same time if s 3)
1 full LT (bashir I think)
It would be a top heavy command structure which would only really work in larger ships like the Enterprise, if you recall the command structure on Voyager was fairly low ranked I mean even the ops position held by Ensign Kim was held by Lt Commander Data on the enterprise probably just due to it being a much larger ship)
Now promotions for others is a bit trickier, for instance should Sisko be promoted to admiral (I believe that commodore was phased out by that time but correct me if I am wrong), chances are he would have had to accept a reduction in rank back to captain to once again be in charge of the station (it was probably only a captains billet), as for Dax being full commander would probably have caused a problem due to her holding a higher rank than Kira as XO (although I suppose you could have given her promotion earlier than she did on the show as well) but given the size of the station they would have already had:-
1 Captain
1 Major (equivelent to Lt commander)
2 Lt commanders (I dont recall if Worf and eddington were there at the same time if s 3)
1 full LT (bashir I think)
It would be a top heavy command structure which would only really work in larger ships like the Enterprise, if you recall the command structure on Voyager was fairly low ranked I mean even the ops position held by Ensign Kim was held by Lt Commander Data on the enterprise probably just due to it being a much larger ship)
Pretty much everyone should have stepped up in rank. Given that we see Sisko attending to fewer duties as station commander in the seventh season, it might be logical that he would inhabit offices with Ross on DS9 rather than attend to daily operations. Worf seemed to have been effectively attached to the klingon forces--as "strategic officer," I don't know if he was primarily assigned to the station, and he had quarters on the Defiant before marrying Dax. With Kira as CO and Dax as XO, things should have been great.
Didn't Kira get promoted to Colonel in the finale or am I imagining something?
We don't know that Nog was the only Ensign from the Defiant to get a promotion. He was just the only one Sisko put in a special request for. After Sisko wrote his letter of recommendation he wanted to make sure Nog was treated fairly and not judged for being Ferengi.
There were probably a lot of promotions going around the DS9 crew directly after the finale.
We don't know that Nog was the only Ensign from the Defiant to get a promotion. He was just the only one Sisko put in a special request for. After Sisko wrote his letter of recommendation he wanted to make sure Nog was treated fairly and not judged for being Ferengi.
There were probably a lot of promotions going around the DS9 crew directly after the finale.
Nog stole one of Harry Kim's promotions. 
She started season 7 with that rank, so the promotion happened between seasons, off camera. By the end of the season, she also held a Starfleet commission and rank of Commander, but it was unclear whether that was permanent or just for the mission to Cardassia. (They referred to her as Colonel again when she got back, but that may have been because a Bajoran Colonel is a slightly higher rank than a Commander - and thus she would be referred to that way by anyone who recognizes the ranks of both services - or because the Commander rank was temporary.)
They probably didn't think about it more than that her ranks were not Starfleet standard, and stuck to that to keep it sounding different. In real life, they would go with pay grades, but it's not like that ever made a difference in Trek.
Functionally though, she had to outrank Dax (and then Worf) as the otherwise most senior officer on DS9, so in practice Major would be at least equivalent to a Lieutenant Commander under normal circumstances. By the top of season seven, she was promoted in Sisko's absence and was in charge of DS9, so Colonel SHOULD be equivalent to Commander at least to hold that position over Dax and Worf without anyone at Starfleet being worried about chain of command. She maintained that rank when Sisko returned, and it wouldn't make sense to DEMOTE her when she was put into symbolic service, so I'm happy thinking Colonel is the equivalent of a Starfleet commander and they just breveted her accordingly when she had to slip on their oh-so-colourful threads.
Mark
Functionally though, she had to outrank Dax (and then Worf) as the otherwise most senior officer on DS9, so in practice Major would be at least equivalent to a Lieutenant Commander under normal circumstances. By the top of season seven, she was promoted in Sisko's absence and was in charge of DS9, so Colonel SHOULD be equivalent to Commander at least to hold that position over Dax and Worf without anyone at Starfleet being worried about chain of command. She maintained that rank when Sisko returned, and it wouldn't make sense to DEMOTE her when she was put into symbolic service, so I'm happy thinking Colonel is the equivalent of a Starfleet commander and they just breveted her accordingly when she had to slip on their oh-so-colourful threads.
Mark
Well, there's Admiral Janeway in NEM ... much as I'd like to forget it. If the Commodore rank still exists, she either spent a phenomenally short time there or she skipped it altogether. Or it doesn't exist.
Wasn't there similar discussion of Picard advancing to the admiralty? Not sure I'm remembering that correctly. But if true, that's more evidence there's no Commodore rank.
The US Navy has had the Commodore rank, and discontinued it, a couple times. It would seem to be similar to Fleet Captain.
Sisko could easily have been a Commodore, but might have been overshadowed had Lionel Richie returned during that time.
As far as Nog's proportions, he was small....small! s-m-all.
Sisko could easily have been a Commodore, but might have been overshadowed had Lionel Richie returned during that time.
As far as Nog's proportions, he was small....small! s-m-all.
IRL Colonel is equivalent to Captain rank. Thus I always interpreted her Starfleet Commander rank as her being a Lt. Colonel in the Bajoran Militia.
Janeway also skipped the two-star admiral rank but it got really murky in nuTrek when Kirk went from Cadet to Captain and Pike from Captain to four-star admiral.
Janeway also skipped the two-star admiral rank but it got really murky in nuTrek when Kirk went from Cadet to Captain and Pike from Captain to four-star admiral.
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