Nods to Newer Trek (DSC, PIC, SNW, PRO or Kelvin Timeline)
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Its not that its not canon, its just that it doesn't necessarily need to be part of the prime timeline/universe.
This can be further explained that when Boims and Marined went back into the past, they may have reality hopped in the process.
Alternatively, Disco and SNW could easily take place in the prime timeline (23rd century wise), BUT the future into which Disco jumped to at the end of S2 could be an alternate one. So Disco originated in Prime, but might have ended up in an alternate reality future.
Later seasons of Discovery had multiple callbacks to things in the prime timeline.
Actually no.
Disco could still be a separate quantum reality, OR it may have originated in the Prime but then at the end of S2 jumped into an alternate reality future 32nd century (where the Burn happened - it might not have happened in the prime universe).
As for how we explain those TNG clips in the 32nd century if its an alternate universe future: pretty simple, numerous quantum realities might have had very similar events take place at various points in the timestream.
However, the more into the future you go, its possible the Prime and the alternate timelines have been diverging... as such, the Burn likely happened in the future Disco jumped to, but it might not have in the prime universe.
After all, in Disco S4, that scientist wanted to hop into a reality where the Burn never happened - so its very possible he was referring to the Prime quantum universe.
Yeah, that could easily confirm also that the quantum reality of Disco and SNW aren't entirely the same as the Prime.
By moving the Eugenics Wars to a later point in history, it could have resulted in events that are somewhat different from Prime (especially when it comes to say the visuals) - so Disco and SNW probably still happened in the Prime universe, but with different aesthetics and slight alterations to events (Disco might have never had the spore drive for instance and Control might have never gone rogue).
Pic S3 for example gave nods to TOS Connies... but none of the Disco/SNW ones - though that COULD potentially be explained by the premise that the change in Eugenics wars still didn't occur.
Discrepancies exist.
Either way, I'm not discounting the premise that Disco may have originated in Prime universe, BUT it JUMPED into an alternate future quantum universe in which (for example) the Burn occurred (whereas the thing might have never happened).
Doesn't mean anything really.
If Disco did jump into an alternate reality future, then past events would likely be very similar in that alternate future just like we saw them in the Prime universe.
But other things (like the Burn) could be completely different (such as it happening in the alternate future, and not happening in the Prime one for example).
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It only means they blipped through a universe where Klingons and their ships still look like that. But as said before, it's a total mess where some episodes explicitly say things have changed and others act like it hasn't
It only means they blipped through a universe where Klingons and their ships still look like that. But as said before, it's a total mess where some episodes explicitly say things have changed and others act like it hasn't
The show's creators have done this intentionally so its left open to interpretation.
In fairness, its not a novel idea.
We also previously speculated that because certain Warp speeds didn't make sense (like getting the TOS Enterprise being able to cover speeds of 1,000 Ly's per DAY), or didn't particularly fit into canon (as some dialogues didn't match), could have been events from different quantum realities.
Take VOY for example.
We saw at one point the duplicate ship/crew from the biomimetic fluid, but the whole thing became a bit of a mess because no one was too certain WHICH VOY crew were we following. Certain events with the duplicates do point to the premise we were watching the original crew all along, and the appearance of the copies was a one time thing.
But then, when Barclay achieved contact with VOY, SF originally posited that if VOY continued at Warp 6 (And accounting for various local phenomena), that the ship would have moved only slightly forward. BUT, we know that VOY had QS v2 boost of 10,000 Ly's (from TImeless) and another 20,000 odd ly's from the Borg TW coil in Dark Frontier (which meant that VOY would have NOT been anywhere near the micro wormhole Barclay eventually made in Pathfinder to establish contact with VOY - unless the micro wormhole opening was just on the edge of VOY's sensors - they are extensive, but not 30,000 LY's extensive).
Admittedly, Barclay did have the benefit of once being exposed to the cyntherian probe and it was said that some of these hyper intelligent insights could manifest in smaller form at later points, so he may have accounted for some jumps in VOY's journey unexpectedly at the last moment).
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So...Star Trek?It only means they blipped through a universe where Klingons and their ships still look like that. But as said before, it's a total mess where some episodes explicitly say things have changed and others act like it hasn't
I seem to recall that some DIS weapons/tricoders where seen at a marketplace?
Wasn't there a DIS or SNW pic on a wall in a bar as well? The one where Kirk and Spock had carved names into the bar?
Pike's hair got referenced as well I think.
As for the DIS Klingons, all the LD episode did was show that the DIS Klingon design exists out there in the multiverse, not that DIS is not the 'prime timeline'.
I personally would prefer if DIS and SNW where not prime so they would be free of existing continuity and able to tell their own stories, but it seems that is not Paramount's intent.
Wasn't there a DIS or SNW pic on a wall in a bar as well? The one where Kirk and Spock had carved names into the bar?
Pike's hair got referenced as well I think.
As for the DIS Klingons, all the LD episode did was show that the DIS Klingon design exists out there in the multiverse, not that DIS is not the 'prime timeline'.
I personally would prefer if DIS and SNW where not prime so they would be free of existing continuity and able to tell their own stories, but it seems that is not Paramount's intent.
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