But you've missed the point completely. They DON'T have a history of cheating. If ONE incident is a history of cheating then half to 3/4s of the teams in the league have a history of cheating.
Its not self pity. Its frustration at mis information.
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But you've missed the point completely. They DON'T have a history of cheating. If ONE incident is a history of cheating then half to 3/4s of the teams in the league have a history of cheating.
Its not self pity. Its frustration at mis information.
^Let me ask you this: what does it matter when your team has won?
I've never cared that fans of other teams marginalize the Colts' Super Bowl victory because it came against a Bears team that started Rex Grossman at quarterback. It was enough for me that the Colts won a championship--something many believed they would never do--and I've never thought twice about it.
As much as Boston-area fans claim to be long-suffering, I can't help but wonder how much of said suffering is self-inflicted. That you continue to whine about the Patriots' persecution after they've won a Super Bowl is a perfect illustration of this point.
If you're frustrated about the misinformation that's out there, you can always fall back on something that's beyond question: the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Who cares what other teams' fans think about it?
--Sran
I've never cared that fans of other teams marginalize the Colts' Super Bowl victory because it came against a Bears team that started Rex Grossman at quarterback. It was enough for me that the Colts won a championship--something many believed they would never do--and I've never thought twice about it.
As much as Boston-area fans claim to be long-suffering, I can't help but wonder how much of said suffering is self-inflicted. That you continue to whine about the Patriots' persecution after they've won a Super Bowl is a perfect illustration of this point.
If you're frustrated about the misinformation that's out there, you can always fall back on something that's beyond question: the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Who cares what other teams' fans think about it?
--Sran
The frustration is that this becomes a huge thing, legacy and validity of the whole thing is questioned every time anything comes up, whether there's any validity to it or not. The mass hysteria over deflategate is a nice example, seeing as how all of the leaked facts have been retracted as complete fabrications, and we're down to either nothing happened at all, or the Colts actively doctored a ball prior to reporting the Pats for having a deflated ball. That's the entirety of deflategate. But you're STILL throwing out their "history of cheating", even after that's come to light. So you're down to Spygate at this point, and betting you can't adequately explain exactly what the Pats were guilty of there. And can't say the Pats were the only ones doing it, or that they just made it up recently, with a straight face and believe it. Like saying someone with a speeding ticket is a career felon.
And sick of it being just the Pats that get this level of bullshit. Like being a big scandal and investigation because you were suspected of maybe Jaywalking, and it turned out you were clearly in a crosswalk, but you've already been slandered in the papers and it WILL come up as part of your 'criminal pattern of behavior' next time you're suspected of anything. Meanwhile, 3 of your friends are speeding down the road smoking meth and no one gives a shit. You'd get kind of annoyed at the attention you receive when no one cares about them, no?
Biggest anger over all of this is that it wrecked a lot of the build-up to the Superbowl for the fans. Instead of 2 weeks of excitement and celebration, we got every member of sports media, traditional media, past stars (Brunnell doesn't 'count' because he sucked, someone said, but how about Montana or Rice?), and everyone we know on Facebook trashing us and the Pats, calling them liars and cheaters, etc. Really took a lot of the fun out of it. And while it's always fun to win the Superbowl, definitely took a little of the fun away there, too. It's now like 75% of the enjoyment it should be, and the last 25% is made up with a "Screw you guys, suck on that!" attitude. Which is disappointing, as it kinda puts a mean edge on what should be enjoyable. I'll take it, and AM ignoring the nonsense that you and others want to spin about this, but still frustrating.
This isn't ribbing or fan banter, there's definitely more edge on it when the Pats are involved. May help if you stop claiming to be such an expert of how Boston sports fans feel, too. The 'long suffering' part is over for us. That was 86 years of Red Sox, plus the Pats going 35-40 years without a win as well. And had been like 18 years for the Celtics at that point, and 11 or 12 years for the Bruins. Bit of a dry patch, but again, most of the identity was tied up in the Sox, and a bit in the pathetic Patriots. We've won more than any other city, suspect by a wide margin, since the Pats got it rolling in 2001. So the dig you're trying to make there is about 14 years out of date. Or at least 11 if you want to start it with the Sox getting on the board. Maybe stick to your own feelings?
And sick of it being just the Pats that get this level of bullshit. Like being a big scandal and investigation because you were suspected of maybe Jaywalking, and it turned out you were clearly in a crosswalk, but you've already been slandered in the papers and it WILL come up as part of your 'criminal pattern of behavior' next time you're suspected of anything. Meanwhile, 3 of your friends are speeding down the road smoking meth and no one gives a shit. You'd get kind of annoyed at the attention you receive when no one cares about them, no?
Biggest anger over all of this is that it wrecked a lot of the build-up to the Superbowl for the fans. Instead of 2 weeks of excitement and celebration, we got every member of sports media, traditional media, past stars (Brunnell doesn't 'count' because he sucked, someone said, but how about Montana or Rice?), and everyone we know on Facebook trashing us and the Pats, calling them liars and cheaters, etc. Really took a lot of the fun out of it. And while it's always fun to win the Superbowl, definitely took a little of the fun away there, too. It's now like 75% of the enjoyment it should be, and the last 25% is made up with a "Screw you guys, suck on that!" attitude. Which is disappointing, as it kinda puts a mean edge on what should be enjoyable. I'll take it, and AM ignoring the nonsense that you and others want to spin about this, but still frustrating.
This isn't ribbing or fan banter, there's definitely more edge on it when the Pats are involved. May help if you stop claiming to be such an expert of how Boston sports fans feel, too. The 'long suffering' part is over for us. That was 86 years of Red Sox, plus the Pats going 35-40 years without a win as well. And had been like 18 years for the Celtics at that point, and 11 or 12 years for the Bruins. Bit of a dry patch, but again, most of the identity was tied up in the Sox, and a bit in the pathetic Patriots. We've won more than any other city, suspect by a wide margin, since the Pats got it rolling in 2001. So the dig you're trying to make there is about 14 years out of date. Or at least 11 if you want to start it with the Sox getting on the board. Maybe stick to your own feelings?
And his point was: WHAT is the 'history' of cheating? You KEEP making that claim, please lay out what you think the various events are. I bet when you're done with it, you're down to just one, and I bet you can't explain what they actually did that was against the rules. But please try; if you're going to keep repeating that nugget, explain it to us. Use your humility and self-awareness
The last list that was posted had to include Tuck Rule and the offensive formations against the Ravens to pad it out, so try and do better than that. You keep saying the Pats have a HISTORY of cheating, so should be easy to get a few down on paper, right? Try
Isn't all this a tad bit melodramatic. The actual Patriots aren't taking this as hard as you. Do you honestly believe this is going to affect the Patriots legacy longterm in any meaningful way? You would be hard pressed to find a team in the AFC that is a stronger favorite to get back to the Super Bowl. Their legacy isn't even finished yet. Hell, number 5 is a strong possibility. Relax and try to enjoy it. I can't stop your facebook friends from spamming your page but you could try to disengage a little at least until the report is released.
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So your advice to have faith in the investigative team of the NFL? Don't know where to start on that one 
Fully expecting them to come back and say they haven't really been able to find any evidence, but since one ball was under, somehow, they'll be fined 250k, maybe lose a 2nd or 3rd round pick. To which I'm half hoping Kraft tells Goodell to go to hell and refuses to pay.
At this point, I don't think the NFL can do nothing, even if they find nothing. They've had too many fuck-ups recently, and the public wants this too badly for them to just no nothing. And even if the Pats come out vindicated, guarantee that the story will be that the Pats got away with it, not that they didn't do anything wrong. For sure, I'd love to see the leak that Colts employees are also being interviewed in the investigation. See this thing turn back on them, and get punished like they were calling for the Patriots to be.
This has already spun into stories about how they must have been doing this (cheating with the balls) forever, since the Pats don't fumble as much as other teams. At an impossible rate, I believe was the phrase. Ignoring the fact that teams have only been able to doctor their own balls since sometime around 2006-2008 (forget exactly when), they naturally took that all the way through Brady's career.
This Superbowl was supposed to shut up the mouthbreathers who kept harping on the 'haven't won since Spygate' thing. It was dumb, because they'd had an 18-1 season since then, several AFC Championship appearances, 2 superbowl appearances, etc, but the 'clean' win was going to kill that. Now this one has the 'tainted' claim to it as well, and just reinforces the bitching about the previous ones. Now they've gotta win ANOTHER one
And like I said, I AM enjoying it, but disappointed that the two weeks leading up to the game were kinda ruined, and not the celebration that it could have been. And that instead of just being happy, there's definitely an aura of "suck it, losers" in my head on this one.
I want to see the apology tour from all the assholes that were happy to try and tear down the Pats in the media. And I'm thrilled that they play the Colts next season. belichick DOES hold grudges, and if he can find a way to win by 100 that game, he'll do it to make a point. So the writers can start working on the 'mean Patriots running up the score' story for that game, it's definitely coming.
Fully expecting them to come back and say they haven't really been able to find any evidence, but since one ball was under, somehow, they'll be fined 250k, maybe lose a 2nd or 3rd round pick. To which I'm half hoping Kraft tells Goodell to go to hell and refuses to pay.
At this point, I don't think the NFL can do nothing, even if they find nothing. They've had too many fuck-ups recently, and the public wants this too badly for them to just no nothing. And even if the Pats come out vindicated, guarantee that the story will be that the Pats got away with it, not that they didn't do anything wrong. For sure, I'd love to see the leak that Colts employees are also being interviewed in the investigation. See this thing turn back on them, and get punished like they were calling for the Patriots to be.
This has already spun into stories about how they must have been doing this (cheating with the balls) forever, since the Pats don't fumble as much as other teams. At an impossible rate, I believe was the phrase. Ignoring the fact that teams have only been able to doctor their own balls since sometime around 2006-2008 (forget exactly when), they naturally took that all the way through Brady's career.
This Superbowl was supposed to shut up the mouthbreathers who kept harping on the 'haven't won since Spygate' thing. It was dumb, because they'd had an 18-1 season since then, several AFC Championship appearances, 2 superbowl appearances, etc, but the 'clean' win was going to kill that. Now this one has the 'tainted' claim to it as well, and just reinforces the bitching about the previous ones. Now they've gotta win ANOTHER one
And like I said, I AM enjoying it, but disappointed that the two weeks leading up to the game were kinda ruined, and not the celebration that it could have been. And that instead of just being happy, there's definitely an aura of "suck it, losers" in my head on this one.
I want to see the apology tour from all the assholes that were happy to try and tear down the Pats in the media. And I'm thrilled that they play the Colts next season. belichick DOES hold grudges, and if he can find a way to win by 100 that game, he'll do it to make a point. So the writers can start working on the 'mean Patriots running up the score' story for that game, it's definitely coming.
So your advice to have faith in the investigative team of the NFL? Don't know where to start on that one
Fully expecting them to come back and say they haven't really been able to find any evidence, but since one ball was under, somehow, they'll be fined 250k, maybe lose a 2nd or 3rd round pick. To which I'm half hoping Kraft tells Goodell to go to hell and refuses to pay.
At this point, I don't think the NFL can do nothing, even if they find nothing. They've had too many fuck-ups recently, and the public wants this too badly for them to just no nothing. And even if the Pats come out vindicated, guarantee that the story will be that the Pats got away with it, not that they didn't do anything wrong. For sure, I'd love to see the leak that Colts employees are also being interviewed in the investigation. See this thing turn back on them, and get punished like they were calling for the Patriots to be.
This has already spun into stories about how they must have been doing this (cheating with the balls) forever, since the Pats don't fumble as much as other teams. At an impossible rate, I believe was the phrase. Ignoring the fact that teams have only been able to doctor their own balls since sometime around 2006-2008 (forget exactly when), they naturally took that all the way through Brady's career.
This Superbowl was supposed to shut up the mouthbreathers who kept harping on the 'haven't won since Spygate' thing. It was dumb, because they'd had an 18-1 season since then, several AFC Championship appearances, 2 superbowl appearances, etc, but the 'clean' win was going to kill that. Now this one has the 'tainted' claim to it as well, and just reinforces the bitching about the previous ones. Now they've gotta win ANOTHER one
And like I said, I AM enjoying it, but disappointed that the two weeks leading up to the game were kinda ruined, and not the celebration that it could have been. And that instead of just being happy, there's definitely an aura of "suck it, losers" in my head on this one.
I want to see the apology tour from all the assholes that were happy to try and tear down the Pats in the media. And I'm thrilled that they play the Colts next season. belichick DOES hold grudges, and if he can find a way to win by 100 that game, he'll do it to make a point. So the writers can start working on the 'mean Patriots running up the score' story for that game, it's definitely coming.
Faith in the NFL investigative team? What? Was this for me? I gave you no such advice. Don't know what to tell you about everything else man. Maybe try not to care that much.
If you are expecting an apology tour even if they are exonerated then you are probably going to be disappointed. Welcome to the sports news cycle. I also never said they needed to win another one. I said it as a statement that they should have a good chance of at least returning to the Super Bowl next year.
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Jesus. All I know is that I wish people were saying stupid things about the Dolphins, fresh off their fourth Super Bowl victory.
Patriot fans, stop expecting people to not only celebrate your team's success but also to never believe one solitary negative rumor, story, or report about them. That's life.
Pick your poison - either you can be a losing team with a sterling reputation in the media and with fans or you can be a SUPER BOWL WINNING TEAM with a less than sterling rep.
I know which one I would pick.
Patriot fans, stop expecting people to not only celebrate your team's success but also to never believe one solitary negative rumor, story, or report about them. That's life.
Pick your poison - either you can be a losing team with a sterling reputation in the media and with fans or you can be a SUPER BOWL WINNING TEAM with a less than sterling rep.
I know which one I would pick.
If your team did cheat, and it affected the result of the game, I would hope it would make you care. Why care about the result of the match if it was caused by anything but talent?
It is annoying to see everyone blow up a scandal which they would probably give the benefit of the doubt to any other team, but I MUST ADMIT, if it were the Yankees, I would be having a little schadenfreude myself. Patriots fans should probably accept that the Patriots are the Yankees of football, and people want to see them brought down the same way they want to see the Yankees brought down.
I think a lot of Boston fans frustration comes from the fact that between 1986 and 2001, every Boston team pretty much sucked. When the Patriots won their first Superbowl it was the first local championship in 15 years. We've been REALLY spoiled since then, having 9 championships across the 4 major American sports in 15 years. So I agree, our attitude needs to change.
But Patriots haters, I think you want to bring the Patriots down the same way I want to bring the Yankees down.
It is annoying to see everyone blow up a scandal which they would probably give the benefit of the doubt to any other team, but I MUST ADMIT, if it were the Yankees, I would be having a little schadenfreude myself. Patriots fans should probably accept that the Patriots are the Yankees of football, and people want to see them brought down the same way they want to see the Yankees brought down.
I think a lot of Boston fans frustration comes from the fact that between 1986 and 2001, every Boston team pretty much sucked. When the Patriots won their first Superbowl it was the first local championship in 15 years. We've been REALLY spoiled since then, having 9 championships across the 4 major American sports in 15 years. So I agree, our attitude needs to change.
But Patriots haters, I think you want to bring the Patriots down the same way I want to bring the Yankees down.
I don't want to see anyone brought down. I enjoy witnessing the great moments in sports. Loved the Super Bowl. I'm in no hurry to see the team of Bill and Tom fade away. It sucks enough watching Peyton wither. It would just be nice to do away with the persecution complex.
To be fair, the persecution complex with likely go away when the persecution stops. Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
Seriously, head story on the nightly news for what ends up being (after a TON of false information) one ball under the limits. Oh, and that one spent some time with the other team before it was reported that it was under limit. Since every other ball was within a 10th of perfect, little odd that one was a full 2 psi short, no?
Meanwhile, several other teams are outed for willful cheating episodes that actually DO affect the game, no one gives a shit. ESPN half-heartedly mentioned it once, no one else even picks that up. Aside from in New England, where the obvious WTF stories are written.
Or for fun, when Spygate is mentioned, why does no one mention the Broncos? That one was worse than what the Patriots did, because they did what the Patriots were ACCUSED of doing when they wanted the story to sound worse: taped a walkthrough. Which isn't generally in front of national media cameras plus 80k people. But only 50k fine, no draft picks, and no stigma of being cheaters forever.
So yeah, stop persecuting, and the complex will likely go away. If everyone insists on treating the Patriots differently, their fans have a right to have a chip on their shoulders about it...
Seriously, head story on the nightly news for what ends up being (after a TON of false information) one ball under the limits. Oh, and that one spent some time with the other team before it was reported that it was under limit. Since every other ball was within a 10th of perfect, little odd that one was a full 2 psi short, no?
Meanwhile, several other teams are outed for willful cheating episodes that actually DO affect the game, no one gives a shit. ESPN half-heartedly mentioned it once, no one else even picks that up. Aside from in New England, where the obvious WTF stories are written.
Or for fun, when Spygate is mentioned, why does no one mention the Broncos? That one was worse than what the Patriots did, because they did what the Patriots were ACCUSED of doing when they wanted the story to sound worse: taped a walkthrough. Which isn't generally in front of national media cameras plus 80k people. But only 50k fine, no draft picks, and no stigma of being cheaters forever.
So yeah, stop persecuting, and the complex will likely go away. If everyone insists on treating the Patriots differently, their fans have a right to have a chip on their shoulders about it...
And this is probably a good point to start an offseason thread.
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