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My take on Voyager

Oh yeah, I think I forgot to put this in past posts but after they get the aid of the Vidiians they'd get access to old Conclave starmaps, which combined with the Federation Starcharts they have they figure out that they're still in the Beta Quadrant, but 30,000 LY from the edge of the known BQ so the area they're in is now designated the "Deep-Beta Quadrant".

After the Krenim arc the Krenim join the Neo-Conclave and add their own sciences and stuff to the group. Working together the Vidiians, the VOY crew, the Talaxians and the Krenim are able to re-create an ancient FTL Engine the old Conclave had that was able to move much faster than any current Warp Drive or even the League's FTL (which is a sort of bastardized Quantum Slipstream Drive that's faster bu less precise than Federation Warp).

This new drive (which is the true Quantum Slipstream) is powered by resources found in the Periphery (where the old Conclave was) and the one prototype they build is installed on Voyager. With Denara Pel joining them they prepare to leave for Known Space to let Starfleet know about all that they've encountered.

However, before they can go a major complication arises.

A Talaxian merchant ship or mining ship just minding its own business (maybe Talaxians), the Captain has a pet that's a counterpart to a Dog, etc.

Then a large object would appear on their scanners, emerging from some kind of unknown rift near the ship, throwing it out of control.

VOY would pick up the automated distress beacon and send an away team to investigate.

Someone (Harry, maybe) would be looking around in one area and find evidence of a fight with energy weapons, but no signs of disintegrated bodies on the Vidiian scanner (they use those now instead of Tricorders) and then locates one member of the crew at the communications, except he's dead. He looks like he was mauled by some vicious animal.

He would then go deeper and see several other crew members who have all been killed in the same way, and several of them look like they were fighting something when they died. He doesn't realize there's something in the chamber with him, and it seems to have extra "bits" on it that are artificial.

He then finds one sole surviving Talaxian who locked himself in a locker to survive, but he's in severe shock. As he calls the medical team on his communicator, Harry hears a growl and turns around just in time to barely dodge a tackle by the Captain's pet, which has been turned into a vicious killer. It has robotic enhancements and shoots tubules out of its' mouth. It finally gets him pinned down, but before it can rip him up the Talaxian picks up Kim's phaser and kills the thing.

He then tells the rescue team that a humongous vessel appeared out of no where and knocked their ship out of control, and beamed 2 of their crew onto the mining ship. They transported several of the mining crew away, but the remaining crew fought back and killed one of them with their weapons, but somehow the second one was unaffected by them (adaptative shield) but the Pet attacked and killed the other one with its' teeth and claws. Yet before it died the alien injected the pet with something, mutating it into a bio-mechanical monster that slaughtered the rest of the crew except him, who hid until Voyager arrived.

He'd show them the corpse of the alien the pet killed before it mutated: It's a Borg.
 
Some more great stuff! I like the idea of the Star Charts but I'm not sure I like where they are supposed to be... I think I'd like them to be just on the Delta side of the Delta-Beta Quadrant line, but still over 30k light years from the Federation, just for distance. I also like the idea of the advanced drive. I think not enough effort was made to show different types of FTL on Voyager in particular where there was a good place for it.

The Borg dog reminds me a bit too much of Resident Evil... but I like the idea of the way you're introducing the Borg. Where do you plan on going with it next? And have you considered writing any of this as full-fledged fiction? This would make a pretty cool 'elseworlds Voyager' I think.
 
My reasoning for them still being in the BQ is that it would show the audience that theydon't need to set shows in the Gamma or Delta Quadrants to be exciting or new, and that there's still plenty to explore or encounter in the areas of space they live in.

Anyways, they will go to the DQ for a few episodes towards the end of the "Borg" arc which would end the Borg's role in this version of VOY.

I based the "Borg Dog" thing off of Godzilla 1984, where a fishing ship encounters Godzilla and a bunch of giant sea lice (as big as Border collies) that had mutated due to drinking Godzilla's blood fell off of him onto the ship and killed the crew except for one guy who hid in a locker until a passerby found them hours later and they were both attacked by the one remaining mutant louse until they killed it.
 
Okay, I may as well give you guys something since you've been patient:

The next episodes would be the season finale for S4, "Scorpion" pretty much only a few changes:

VOY realizes the huge ship must've been a Borg Cube, and the rift it emerged from be a Transwarp Conduit.

VOY and the Conclave then contact the League and give them their information on the Borg in hopes to mobilize all the major forces into a defense. The League then begins sending out patrols to investigate these new intruders.

VOY would go searching when they receive information from League Sensor Outposts. Really tense, like in "Descent" where the ENT-D was always monitoring for Borg activity.

Eventually they find something, and not only is it a Borg signature, they read something else that the League Computer Servers they're interfacing with can identify when VOY's own computers cannot: Fluidic.

They arrive and find a Borg Sphere (not a huge Cube) partially destroyed and maybe one or two dead Fluidic Bio-Ships as well. The League send a battalion of troopers onboard the Sphere and VOY sends its own team to investigate on a shuttle.

This is mainly the same as what happened in VOY, where they encounter a Fluidic soldier, Harry gets infected, etc.

They leave, but someone else had crawled onboard their shuttle, a female borg.

She tries to assimilate them, but at the same time a group of Borg corner the Fluidic on the Sphere and assimilate it, as it's assimilated it let's out a psychic "scream" that overloads the Borg it's now connected to, causing a massive "system crash" that terminates the Collective onboard the Sphere. The female Borg is far enough away on the shuttle that she doesn't die, her connection to the Borg is weakened.

She tells them she is Seven of Nine and as she is alone and outnumbered/outgunned she will not harm them. When asked about what the Borg are doing in this area of the galaxy she informs them that the Borg recently picked up energy emmissions from this part of the Beta Quadrant that interested them, so they sent a scout force to investigate.

(The emmissions are the energies the Fluidics gave off in the Fluidic Wars 2000 years ago, it just took that long for the energy emmissions to naturally make it far enough to be picked up by a Borg ship)

The VOY crew figure out from what information the League and Old Conclave records have on the Fluidics that they are all powerful telepaths (explaining the anti-telepathic stance of the Devore Empire) that have their own form of a Collective although each Fluidic is an individual unto themselves. When the Borg tried to assimilate one of them the Fluidic's own telepathic mind reacted badly to being forcibly grafted to the Collective, and "self-destructed", but since it was linked to the immediate Borg when it died the psychic shock went into them as well and killed them all.

So it seems that being assimilated causes MAD for the Fluidics and Borg, and since the Borg can't assimilate them they intend to now destroy them.

Thus the season ends on the prospect of an all-out war between the Borg and the Fluidics, with the Deep-Beta Quadrant as the battlefield.
 
Oh yeah, one more thing for Kes.

After the Krenim arc she would gain the ability to have "flashes" of the future due to radiation from scanning a Krenim Temporal torpedo somehow reacting with her reactivated Ocampan mental abilities.

A limitation would be that she has no control over when they would happen to her, and when she "sees" the future she can only see through her future self's eyes sos he may not understand what's happening. She also can't interact with people of the future she's seeing, just see through her future self's eyes while her future self does stuff.
 
Okay, in the beginnng of S5 the VOY crew, League and Conclave are wondering what they heck they're going to do now with the possibility of the Deep-Beta Quadrant becoming the battlefield for an all-out Borg-Fluidic War (the Borg have calculated that since the Fluidics are resistant to assimilation, they are to be terminated until a more effective method of assimilation is found). The VOY crew in particular are alamred because to them this is the beginning of the dark future they experienced when they were hurled 30 years into the future where the Borg and Fluidics have become a hybrid race, one that has inherited the Fluidics' xenocidal desires and the power/infrastructure of the Borg Collective, meaning the Borg/Fluidics have been using all their power to destroy everything they encounter instead of just assimilating what they think is worth it.

Also, the VOY crew wonder what to do with the drone they picked up, since the Fluidic overload that killed the Sphere also terminated her connection to the Collective. Janeway decides that since she's not Borg anymore she gets to live.

While trying to help Harry, the Vidiians try several new medical treatments they used in the last Fluidic Invasion to try and combat the Fluidic DNA infestation.

I forgot to mention, Kes by this point is now a full adult (she was a 10 year in S1, a young teenager in S2, about 17 in S3 and by S4 she's early to mid twenties) and she's the second doctor, her accelerated aging also meaning she has a quicker learning mind and she learnt all she needed from the Doctor. She also has more control over her TP and TK, and those future vision powers she got from the chroniton radiation in "Year of Hell".

Together they get the idea that a nanite attack may work, so they extract some from Seven (who's still semi-conscious) and experiment until they got it since Borg technology is the only nanites advanced enough.

They then find out from the League that there's a bigger buildup of dimensional rift energies (the energy given off whenever the Fluidics enter or exist those dimensiona rifts they can make) and the Fluidics are using them to enter Fluidic Space (which is kind of like B5 Hyperspace in this verions) to travel without being detected and then attack the Borg in regular space when they re-emerge.

They track the battles down, coming across lots of smaller Borg ships that have been damaged or destroyed and lots of dead Fluidic bioships as well (they're equally matched) until they findout the Borg have assimilated an entire planet as the scout force's Base of Operations.

They're trying to build a Transwarp gateway on this side so they can summon unlimited Borg reinforcements from the Delta Quadrant (since the Transwarp Conduit the Scout force used to arrive was more or less a one-way shot).

Janeway then decides to wait until the Fluidics have overwhelmed the Borg Scout force (which is only one Cube and maybe a few smaller probe ships and that one Sphere that was destroyed earlier) and use their planetkiller attack to destroy the Borg planet.

Seven tries to stop them when she wakes up, breaking out of sickbay and into engineering, but the crew manage to stop her (maybe Kes with her TK holds her in place without having to touch her). With the last of the Borg in this quadrant gone she goes despondent.

Then VOY tests out the nanites as a weapon on the Fluidic ships, destroying them. While the Fluidics pull back to analyze their destroyed ships' to find out what the heck happened Voyager and the combined Conclave/League fleet retreat.

It's postulated that the Fluidics may find a way to neutralize the nanites, but at least now the Conclave have a weapon that once again works on the Fluidics. The League wants it but the Conclave then puts them in their place saying that they need it for further research, and if the League tries anything they'll destroy the nanites and all their data on them.

Secretly they give the nanotech data to VOY for safekeeping, and with that and their new crewmate (Seven) as well as the Concave delegation waiting to make contact with the Federation, VOY activates the Slipstream Drive and sets a course for their last friendly location, DS9.

However, since this is around 2375/2376, they have a surprise waiting for them back in the Alpha Quadrant...
 
It sounds like Anwar is proposing "Voyager: without the mistakes!"

But is that reason enough for a remake? :confused:
 
BalthierTheGreat said:
Personally, I'd aslo somewhat nerf the EMH. I wouldn't bind him to the sick-bay, but he seemed a bit too powerful. If you have something like him capable of downloading a file and becoming the Emergency Command Hologram as well, why bother risking the lives of the crew? Why waste the space and the life-support?

Because we want to go out there ourselves, not stay stuck on a planet and wait for some drone to return with information. Starfleet is not risking the lives of the crew, they are giving lives, livelyhoods, and purpose to the crew.

That they might get killed, :shrugs:, an accident at home can kill them too. You can't be afraid of all the risks and all the things that can kill you, you have to get out and live, otherwise you're stuck doing nothing and you might as well be dead.
 
kipron said:
It sounds like Anwar is proposing "Voyager: without the mistakes!"

But is that reason enough for a remake? :confused:

I'm only doing this for fun really. It's not a proposal for a remake or anything, just something I came up with when I went over all the cool stuff VOY had but no one seems to acknowledge because they didn't do huge stories with them (which they were forbidden from, really).

To be clear, I'm not trying to bash the original VOY with this in anyway, in fact without the original VOY I couldn't have done this because I wouldn't have been inspired by what they DID do and all the cool stuff they had to drop.
 
Anwar , I'm still loving this. I think you came up with a much better way to handle 8472/Fluidics and introducing Seven without deep-sixing Kes.

Ok, that was a bad pun.

Overall, I think an arc approach to Voyager would have been much more apropos although it's certain the execs at Paramount didn't want it. And I love where I think you're going with bringing Voyager home into the middle of a battlefield. :rommie:
 
By the way, I know the original intention of the VOY team was to kill off Harry in "Scorpion" to show how bad the 8472 aliens were with their DNA infection thing, but then they couldn't because Garret Wang got in some "Most beautiful people" article in TIME or something, but do you think I should kill him off in this version?

Because quite frankly I did find him a tad bland, I would've used him more as a straight man to Tom and maybe as a bastion of Fed values since VOY was his first assignment but I think killing him off just as they were about to go back to the Federation would've made it more of a bittersweet moment: One of the guys who didn't give into despair almost made it, and then he lost it all. Also it would show the danger of the Fluidics.
 
I would have liked atleast half a season with Kes and 7

As for Harry, they should have killed him at random to show the danger of space and they could have introduced a new character :)
 
Hey Anwar, you already know most of my thoughts on this from the other board...to defend you, this isn't even really a story perse only a premise or an outline of what Anwar would've done if he'd been in charge of Voyager so if it appears a little rough there you go.

As for the problems that Voyager had...I think it all comes down to execution. Having read the series bible and being shocked with how much they abandoned (it looked to me like they abandoned their original story after the first couple of episodes aired. I don't know if this was on UPN or a production team decision) if they had stuck to the Maquis/Starfleet tension plot more and had a more rougher tone for the show I think they would've gained more viewers. As for oversaturation of the franchise, I realize that is what Mr. Roddenberry's son said recently and what some belive to be true but I don't think that was the case during Voyager and DS9's run. I think one of the problems came from rushing Enterprise too fast after Voyager finished its run. It seemed like Paramount and UPN were so deseperate to have another Star Trek series on the air ASAP for the next fall season (in this case 2001/2002) that they came up with the prequel deal, rushed to sign Scott Bakula (who at the time was rumored to be close to signed a deal with NBC or Sci-Fi for a Quantum Leap mini-series I believe) to play the new Captain, and then started on the script for "Broken Bow". I think there should've been at least a one or two year break (sign Bakula if you want but let him do other things while your thinking about how to execute another series properly) and then have ENT if that is still what you want to do for the 2003/2004 fall season. That way fans who were still pissed off with "Endgame" and the crappy last two seasons of Voyager could have a break before a new series.

Admiral Young
 
Well, in my opening proposal I'd have killed off the Captain and XO of VOY in the first episode and leave Science Officer Janeway as acting captain due to rank, so I'd use them as the "dangers of space" examples.

With Kim, I'd kill him off to show the dangers of the Fluidics, who I'd have been building up as the big baddies of the show and since this is their first official appearance it'd make their debut better in that they killed a main cast member.

It also sets up Seven better to take over as Science Officer now that Harry's gone.

Hell, even nuBSG hasn't killed off any of their main characters yet. They just kill off their side-characters instead (Ellen, Jammer, Roslin's aide)
 
I'd never heard the rumor about actually killing Harry in Scorpion. That would have been much more interesting I think, especially since they seemed to have more or less given up on the character by then. The only thing lost would have been a few Tom/Harry moments from later and 'Nightingale.' (Nothing against poor Garrett Wang, I liked him and the character, I just think the production team dropped the ball.)

Plus, in your scenario it is a good illustration and quite a poetic shock. So yeah, bump him off and give Seven an actual purpose rather than a made-up one that undermines an existing character.

:rommie:
 
Like I said earlier (Or did I? I lost track of what ideas I did or did not post) since B'Ellana is pretty much dead (her Klingon half) that Tom and Kes would be a couple, so since Harry is gone there'd be more time for Tom/Kes moments.
 
^ You did mention those plot points in your previous posts Anwar...and I do remember the Harry dying in "Scorpion" there were ads I think even teasing a character's death during that season, or was that for the final season? I can't remember but it must've been a last minute change to keep Garret Wang, I do remember the magazine thing though as well.

Admiral Young
 
They were going to kill Harry and get rid of Kes, but then Garret got into that magazine article and the producers were also afraid of being declared racists or something.
 
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