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Spoilers Mutants and the MCU-- What's Next? (Full Spoilers!)

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Pretty much what it says in the title.

We're seeing the introduction of mutants into the MCU on multiple levels. Both on the main Earth Prime/616/Sacred Timeline, and through multiversal shenanigans in three different Marvel productions.

On the Earth of the MCU's main narrative, we have Kamala Khan being revealed as having a mutation, the first such character to be described as such, which might imply that such things are a recent development.

However, then we had Wakanda Forever and Namor's revelation that his mutation manifested centuries ago.

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I have always believed that these two moments were set up for the audience for future X-Men projects in which mutants had indeed somehow managed to stay under the radar. Mutations were few enough and far enough in between, and in a world like Marvel Earth not necessarily an uncommon occurrence, that they just didn't register on the public radar. Perhaps, and this is all fan wank speculation at this point, Charles Xavier, with his unique abilities already has his school for the gifted in operation. But, initially, rather than teaching his students how to defend the planet, leaving such to the Avengers and their like, he instead teaches them how to blend in with society.

But then we started to get the aforementioned multiversal shenanigans that began to introduce the old school X-Men characters from the Fox movies into the mix.

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Now, both the Doctor Strange and Deadpool and Wolverine appearances of X-Men characters can be written off as one-offs. However, the Beast scene with Monica from The Marvels points to a future story to be told with some iteration of the Fox X-Men team.

I don't imagine that we will pick up with Monica again until Avengers Secret Wars, where all of this multiversal stuff is supposed to come to a head. But the question that comes with that is, what X-Men team would we theoretically see?

If we were to see X-Men in Secret Wars, which comes out in 2026, they can still maintain the timeline as depicted in Logan, which takes place in 2029 with things starting to go downhill in 2028, if that is what they want to do. That way they can bring back all of our old X-Men friends for one last hurrah without upsetting the nerds who worry too much about timeline issues. (I can already hear the cries of "gutless fan service")

However, I think they would be better off separating from the main FoX-Men universe entirely and bringing in new variants from another, similar, Fox based X-Men universe. That way, they can do unexpected things with the characters without being limited by what was established in Logan.

At any rate, none of this will be relevant post Secret Wars. The X-Men moving forward will have to have a different approach and different actors in the roles. Which brings me back to my earlier musings of Professor X already running his school in secret.

What do the rest of you think, what direction should the MCU take moving forward with mutants, both pre and post Secret Wars? What mistakes should they avoid? What beats are just too primal to the X-Men to exclude?

The FoX-Men movies were far too focused on the dynamic between Professor X and Magneto in my opinion, and while I'm certainly not suggesting that that dynamic or one similar be excluded entirely from the equation, I would prefer the larger philosophical questions to, at least at first, be background fodder between Charles and Erik. I want to see young kids coming to terms with what it means to be a teenage mutant first, and a superhero second. Here's a radical idea. Don't have Wolverine in the first X-Men movie. Give him his own solo movie and have the two dovetail into a third movie to make a trilogy.

Thoughts? Opinions? Insights?
 
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I think I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I miss the days when new versions of a story were just allowed to be new versions of a story, rather than an "alternate timeline" that shared a "multiverse" with older versions. I think entertainment culture these days clings excessively to the past, relying too much on revisiting old favorites instead of creating new ones. So I want to say, start fresh and do something new and different with the X-Men.

But on the other hand, I have to admit, sometimes revisiting the past works. No Way Home was the only MCU Spider-Man movie I really liked, because of how well it used the returning villains and Peters and gave their stories better closure, in many ways, than they got before. If the MCU can pick up leftover X-Men movie threads and improve on them, rather than just pander to nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia, that could be worthwhile.

So I guess, as with most things, it comes down to how well it's done rather than what they do.

I will say that I don't see the merit of keeping Jackman as Wolverine. He's nearly a quarter-century older now than he was when he started, and he's playing a character who's supposed to be unaging. Sure, Marvel's an old hand at digitally de-aging actors now, but it's expensive. And he is very different from the Wolverine of the comics, much more of a leading-man type. I'd like to see another actor embody his more feral, animalistic side, something I never felt Jackman really captured convincingly.
 
I think we might see some FoX-men in Secret Wars. Perhaps from both casts. If they are going multiverse it would be the logical place. Might also be a good spot to intro some “All New All Different “ X-Men for the MCU/Prime Earth.

I like the original X-Men and the All New All Different team, so my preferences would be to draw from those characters. Anyone who joined after that is pretty much meh to me. I also like the school setting with younger characters. Late teens and early twenties for the team. Bring in characters like Moria as faculty.
 
I would like the MCU main team to be a mixture of classic and newer mutants. However, I do think that the MCU version has to be its own thing, and as soon as the multiversal rift is closed at the end of Secret Wars (or whatever happens), I would like the definitive MCU team to be a new set of actors.

As for mutants existing in the MCU, it is a very easy explanation to say that the X-Men have been operating clandestinely behind the scenes and whatever happens in Doomsday/Secret Wars forces them to become public. An event that creates many new mutants at once would be the easiest and clearest explanation.
 
I think I'm of two minds. On the one hand, I miss the days when new versions of a story were just allowed to be new versions of a story, rather than an "alternate timeline" that shared a "multiverse" with older versions. I think entertainment culture these days clings excessively to the past, relying too much on revisiting old favorites instead of creating new ones. So I want to say, start fresh and do something new and different with the X-Men.

But on the other hand, I have to admit, sometimes revisiting the past works. No Way Home was the only MCU Spider-Man movie I really liked, because of how well it used the returning villains and Peters and gave their stories better closure, in many ways, than they got before. If the MCU can pick up leftover X-Men movie threads and improve on them, rather than just pander to nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia, that could be worthwhile.

So I guess, as with most things, it comes down to how well it's done rather than what they do.

I will say that I don't see the merit of keeping Jackman as Wolverine. He's nearly a quarter-century older now than he was when he started, and he's playing a character who's supposed to be unaging. Sure, Marvel's an old hand at digitally de-aging actors now, but it's expensive. And he is very different from the Wolverine of the comics, much more of a leading-man type. I'd like to see another actor embody his more feral, animalistic side, something I never felt Jackman really captured convincingly.
I am pretty much agreed on all points here. however, I feel they should make full use of the multiverse concept while it's still an active story point.

As for hanging threads? Did they really develop story threads for anyone other than Charles, Erik or Logan? If it's the same Logan from post Days of Future Past, he can be dealing with the fact that his memory doesn't track with the new history. We know the so-called "cure" didn't work. We know this from both Erik and Rogue, considering both versions of the movie must exist somewhere in the multiverse. How would Rogue deal with having this brief taste of being normal only to have it snatched away from her?

I do actually agree about Hugh Jackman, but it was such a delight to see him return to the character. If he can be a part of a project that seems specially tailored for such an appearance, such as Secret Wars, I'm all for it.
 
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I could see SHIELD or a related agency (MACE? ;) ) keeping track of mutant activity over the past decades. The numbers might be low enough as to not be overly concerned but a new spike will raise alarms.

There was a brief time at the start when Xavier had a government connection (FBI) and they cued him in on “evil mutant” activities. Might be a good source of drama for the MCU.
 
I think we might see some FoX-men in Secret Wars. Perhaps from both casts. If they are going multiverse it would be the logical place. Might also be a good spot to intro some “All New All Different “ X-Men for the MCU/Prime Earth.

I like the original X-Men and the All New All Different team, so my preferences would be to draw from those characters. Anyone who joined after that is pretty much meh to me. I also like the school setting with younger characters. Late teens and early twenties for the team. Bring in characters like Moria as faculty.
Agreed about Moira. Also Stevie Hunter.

Best to avoid such faculty members as the extremely problematic Sharon Friedlander and Tom Corsi altogether. There are quite a few things that Chris Claremont did that did not age well, what he did to these characters is one of them.
 
I could see SHIELD or a related agency (MACE? ;) ) keeping track of mutant activity over the past decades. The numbers might be low enough as to not be overly concerned but a new spike will raise alarms.
Agents of SHIELD did have "The Index". My head canon is that Chan Ho Yin, AKA "Scorch" from Agents of SHIELD season one, was actually a mutant, but SHIELD has yet to identify the X-gene, so they couldn't pinpoint the source of his powers. The only theory that they had was that he was nearby during an accident at a nuclear power plant.

 
As for hanging threads? Did they really develop story threads for anyone other than Charles, Erik or Logan?
Exactly the point. It could be a way to add more depth or give closure to characters that got short shrift before. Heck, even the Deadpool movies did more with Colossus than the X-Men movies did.


Anyway, the one thing I do feel strongly about is that the MCU is sorely lacking in Squirrel Girl. I mean, who else are they gonna get to beat Doctor Doom?
 
An event that creates many new mutants at once would be the easiest and clearest explanation.
An event such as three snaps from an Infinity Gauntlet happening on Earth in a five year period, two of them back to back? Rocket said that the energy wave overtook the entire globe, and Infinity Gauntlet energy was responsible for the powers of multiple characters in the MCU, such as Wanda, Pietro, Vision and Captain Marvel. It stands to reason that it could also be the catalyst for the activation of some X-genes.
 
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I definitely think we'll be seeing the Fox X-Men one more time or at least versions of the characters played by the FoX-Men actors in Secret Wars. But I would like to see them also use that as an opportunity to establish what exactly the status of mutants is on Earth-616. I think having them been around but not been public knowledge would be the best way to go, and leave things more open to follow some of their comics history. The comics have a whole history of mutants going back thousands of years with characters like Apocalypse, Destiny, Mr. Sinister and Wolverine, and it would be hard to do their stories if mutants are something new that just appeared.
According to the MCU Wiki Namor was born in 1571, so that could be seen as indication that they're already heading in that direction.
As for the characters, I think it would be best to recast them all with younger actors, and I like the idea of the X-Men having already been operating in secret for a while now.
 
I fully expect to see some of the Fox XMU actors returning for Secret Wars, as already hinted by The Marvels (and I wouldn't be surprised either way with Jackman's involvement), but after that event, I'm ready for the MCU to forward on its own and finally shut the door behind them. We've had so many revisits and most of them have been terrific, but it's time for a new cast and a new team.

I especially agree with the notion of focusing beyond Wolverine, Professor X, and Magneto and letting other characters shine (although I probably still won't care about Cyclops...meh). There are so many great characters, both classic and modern, that are waiting to shine and I look forward those many possibilities.

That said...my own personal bias is to see more of Iceman. I've always been very fond of the character and while he did get some of the spotlight in the original trilogy (particularly the second film), I would love to see greater focus on him in the MCU.
 
An event such as three snaps from an Infinity Gauntlet happening on Earth in a five year period, two of them back to back? Rocket said that the energy wave overtook the entire globe, and Infinity Gauntlet energy was responsible for the powers of multiple characters in the MCU, such as Wanda, Pietro, Vision and Captain Marvel. It stands the reason that it could also be the catalyst for the activation of some X-genes.

Kind of. I was actually thinking of the 2015 Secret Wars storyline.

That said...my own personal bias is to see more of Iceman. I've always been very fond of the character and while he did get some of the spotlight in the original trilogy (particularly the second film), I would love to see greater focus on him in the MCU.

It would be cool to see Iceman with modern effects.
 
If we were to see X-Men in Secret Wars, which comes out in 2026, they can still maintain the timeline as depicted in Logan, which takes place in 2029 with things starting to go downhill in 2028, if that is what they want to do. That way they can bring back all of our old X-Men friends for one last hurrah without upsetting the nerds who worry too much about timeline issues.

I thought we'd pretty much all agreed that Logan is its own Elseworlds tale, and not a sequel to DoFP? Its premise that there haven't been any new mutant children in ~10 years isn't at all compatible with the cheery ending to DoFP, and I don't think "Xavier had a brain fart and killed everyone, womp, womp" is a plot point Feige and the Russos will want to be bound by when deciding how to structure Secret Wars. (Nor is it the case that Logan meaningfully referenced any prior movie other than X1.)

(No, I'm not a particular fan of Logan; can you tell? :p)


I will say that I don't see the merit of keeping Jackman as Wolverine. He's nearly a quarter-century older now than he was when he started, and he's playing a character who's supposed to be unaging.

I don't see the problem here. He's been exposed to all kinds of stuff, not to mention battle damage and wear and tear. All they ever need to say is the years are finally catching up with him, not to mention that time he was exposed to gobs and gobs of radiation while preventing that nuclear plant meltdown in Sokovia a few years ago. (Also, not for nothing, but Jackman looks better than ever in DP+W.)
 
I doubt we'll see original FoX-Men actors back in their roles, unless it's a small cameo in a end credit scene. Marvel seems far more interested right now in doing their own thing with these characters. I know, I know.... Deadpool & Wolverine and Dr Strange 2.
The exception underlines the rule. I doubt Marvel will want to fill the MCU movies with these actors all the time.
 
I thought we'd pretty much all agreed that Logan is its own Elseworlds tale, and not a sequel to DoFP? Its premise that there haven't been any new mutant children in ~10 years isn't at all compatible with the cheery ending to DoFP, and I don't think "Xavier had a brain fart and killed everyone, womp, womp" is a plot point Feige and the Russos will want to be bound by when deciding how to structure Secret Wars. (Nor is it the case that Logan meaningfully referenced any prior movie other than X1.)

(No, I'm not a particular fan of Logan; can you tell? :p)

I really like Logan, and I agree with your points. The world of Logan is not the same as Days of Future Past--in fact, if you want to try and consider continuity between the films then there has to be at least five separate timelines in the FOX movies alone.
 
I think it's 100% guaranteed there will be X-men in Secret Wars. There may very well be some in Doomsday, too, and probably also in some other post credits scenes between now and then. As for which X-men those will be, I'm guessing it's a little of column a, b, c, and d. I don't believe the universe in The Marvels is the Logan/Deadpool universe, so there will be at least Beast and Binary from the one and at least Logan, Wade and Laura from the other. Possibly more than that. Possibly some other X-men from the illuminati universe (though maybe the Marvels universe is the Illuminati universe). Possibly also a couple of newly cast X-men who are intended to become the backbone of the post-Secret Wars X-men franchise.

In the post-Secret Wars world, what I would most like to see happen is a full new start with an entirely new cast and little or no focus on Wolverine or Magneto (at least at first).

What I expect will happen, on the other hand, is there will be just as much focus on Wolverine as always. Maybe they let Magneto rest for another movie (fingers crossed). And it is seeming more and more likely that an entirely new cast may not be allowed to happen. I'm not 100% convinced yet, but I'm less and less certain that Jackman will actually be out after Secret Wars.

In the event that is actually true, I hope (and kind of expect) they know better than to just dump Jackman into the middle of a totally new team of X-men and expect it to feel the same as 20 years ago. I think the path forward - if a fully fresh slate is simply not going to be considered as an option - is to make Jackman an Avenger, use him as a traveling guest star in other people's movies like they used to do with RDJ, let him bring Laura with him, make her the Wolverine of the new X-men, and keep Jackman's role in the X-men mostly limited to mentoring Laura. And maybe give him his own show on D+ if the budget and timing is there.
 
in fact, if you want to try and consider continuity between the films then there has to be at least five separate timelines in the FOX movies alone.

I prefer to maintain a distinction between inconsistencies that are diegetically the result of alternate timelines and those that are merely the result of error or creative license among storytellers depicting what's intended to be a single timeline. After all, the Marvel Universe in the comics has many, many inconsistencies and contradictions, most of all from its perpetually sliding timescale. Yet it still pretends it's all one consistent reality, by focusing on the big-picture commonalities and glossing over the discrepancies of detail. Really, any long-running fictional continuity is going to have internal contradictions. But it's still narratively intended to represent a continuous whole, so those contradictions are best taken as inaccuracies in the presentation, unless they're explicitly depicted in-story as timeline changes.

So as far as I'm concerned, the X-Men films basically have two timelines, the original and the post-DOFP. At most there's a third, since Logan seems more consistent with the original in some ways while still seeming to reference the revised one.
 
My one biggest hope is that the MCU will bother making X-Men a proper ensemble and not just the Logan show all over again.

And before anyone says "The other X-Men characters are boring and need a leading man like Logan", Guardians of the Galaxy easily disproves that. Right from the start it wasn't "Peter Quill and some other people", it knew how to do a real team movie
 
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