Lost 6x06: "Sundown"
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Me, either. I don't find her anywhere near as insufferable as she's usually made out to be. Then again, I appear to be the only person on the internet who absolutely cannot stand Sawyer and wants him dead as soon as possible, so what do I know?
Anyway, episode gets an above average from me - probably on the lower end of the scale. Sayid creeping out bugeyes (aka Ben) was one of the high points of the entire series, never mind this season.
Excellent from me, as well.
I think we're seeing the end in the flash sideways. Thats how it ends.
And, for the record....I love Kate!
Excellent from me, as well.
I think we're seeing the end in the flash sideways. Thats how it ends.
And, for the record....I love Kate!
I like her just fine too. Her being played by Evangeline Lilly who is ridiculously beautiful probably doesn't hurt.
This isn't really much of a spoiler, but anyway.
It ties in to what NotLocke said - what if I could give you everything you ever wanted ?
It's only a theory for now, but Jack having a son who he has a good relationship with, Nadia being alive, Locke's apparent good relationship with his father and his impending marriage to Helen etc are interesting.
Giving someone everything they ever really wanted doesn't necessarily mean their lives would be perfect, just the things that matter to them.
It's only a theory for now, but Jack having a son who he has a good relationship with, Nadia being alive, Locke's apparent good relationship with his father and his impending marriage to Helen etc are interesting.
Giving someone everything they ever really wanted doesn't necessarily mean their lives would be perfect, just the things that matter to them.
You know that probably explains why I'm so
about so much of the stuff on this show. I plead guilty to not being a very well rounded person with respect to literature and ancient history and such. So a lot of this just goes right over my head.
I don't think it's really absolutely necessary to know that stuff to enjoy it though. It's just a parallel that I thought of, not something crucial to the understanding of the show. If it were the literal explanation, then I'm sure they would relay some information and not count on their general audience to know who Cerberus is.
Several posts up I explained a non-literary interpretation of the larger story. So, it's definitely not required to enjoy Lost. Although, there was a classic short story that used that same theme (which I'm forgetting the details of) but you certainly don't need to know it to understand that theme of pawns uniting.
Mr Awe
Well back several seasons ago (I think) I made a comment that perhaps I'm just too dumb to "get" this show. Because I'm pretty much a linear thinker I guess. For me, it's pretty much what you see is what you get. I don't really pick up on themes, metaphors, allegories, etc. When I see Sayid talking to a dead guy who can change into a smoke monster I see . . . Sayid talking to a dead guy who can change into a smoke monster and I don't read anymore into it than that.
So with the caveat that I'm just not really getting it, and the fact that perhaps I'm not smart enough to get it, I'll make the following observation about the turn this show has taken with Jacob vs Smoky and whatever the hell else this is going to turn out to be. This is about the most goddamned retarded thing I've ever seen. But I'm come this far, so I guess I can stick it out for 12 more hours.
Back in season 1 the producers were all like "Oh we can't tell you want the island is because it would end the story." Yeah it would end the story all right. If they'd been doing this shit from day one, I don't think they'd ever seen a second season, much less 6.
There I've said it. I remember arguing with someone in season 1 who made the comment you have to be smart to watch this show. I remember beng offended at the time, but it turns out he was right.
I don't necessarily agree with this sentiment. I think like any fine piece of art/literature it can be enjoyed on many levels. One can watch Lost and really just enjoy the upfront, obvious stuff with the characters and what it would be like if one of us were experiencing what they do. Sure there are layers of subtext and metaphors and it may enhance one's experience if they get some of the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) references the show employs, but at the heart of the show, it's always really been about the characters and their struggle to deal with the circumstances they find themselves.
Well I agree that you can watch and enjoy the characters and the actors who portray them. (I mean who doesn't love Hurley for example?) It's probably the only thing that has me hanging in there. But for me, the actual story has just become a horrible, horrible mess.
Excellent from me, as well.
I think we're seeing the end in the flash sideways. Thats how it ends.
And, for the record....I love Kate!
I like her just fine too. Her being played by Evangeline Lilly who is ridiculously beautiful probably doesn't hurt.
This isn't really much of a spoiler, but anyway.
It ties in to what NotLocke said - what if I could give you everything you ever wanted ?
It's only a theory for now, but Jack having a son who he has a good relationship with, Nadia being alive, Locke's apparent good relationship with his father and his impending marriage to Helen etc are interesting.
Giving someone everything they ever really wanted doesn't necessarily mean their lives would be perfect, just the things that matter to them.
I have a different take on the the flash sideways. They don't reflect what the manipulators have given them. They represent a reality where the manipulators are not present. A reality where they haven't taken things away. A reality without interference.
Again, the pawns have to stop following someone higher, band together, and look out for themselves.
Mr Awe
Honestly, I don't think so. I get the sense that you're smart enough. I think that viewers really have to want to follow the show to be able to keep up with the twists and turns. It may just not be your cup of tea, and, therefore, you simply don't have the patience to keep track of everything. I'm betting that's more likely.
Mr Awe
That's a possibility I'm working on too. Maybe they'll stop Jocob's beach buddy and/or Jacob himself and the island will get destroyed in the process for good in the finale. And maybe what we've been seeing in the flashsideways is the end result where everything's been fixed. If that's the case, it's a pretty good move as far as story structure goes... Dole out the long and happy ending little by little throughout the season. Makes more sense than trying to figure out how the two timelines will converge. I don't think it'll end in a traditional reset either because the losties back in LA X will somehow become aware of what happened.
I know what you mean. Your post above describes me as well.
I got an odd vibe from Claire in the hole when she heard Kate tell her about Aaron.
It seems to me that since she heard Jin "lie" about her son and then heard Kate confirm the story, I got the impression that she realized that Flock had lied to her about the others having Aaron.
Maybe that's why she didn't pick up another gun and blow Kate's head off; she was perhaps rethinking her allegiance to Flock.
It seems to me that since she heard Jin "lie" about her son and then heard Kate confirm the story, I got the impression that she realized that Flock had lied to her about the others having Aaron.
Maybe that's why she didn't pick up another gun and blow Kate's head off; she was perhaps rethinking her allegiance to Flock.
Lemme ask: have you re-watched it on DVD at all? It makes a LOT more sense the second time through.
that or you can probably carouse through a bunch of the major plot points over at lostpedia
I rewatched the series 3-4 times all the way through and I still don't know where the story's really going. I have some theories about things but the writers have often said that they feel like they're doing there job well if you feel "lost" half the time where the overall story is going.
So, for those who are confused or see the story as a big mess at this point, I think that's more or less how the writers are wanting you to feel until they finally uncover the mysteries over the last half of the season.
So, for those who are confused or see the story as a big mess at this point, I think that's more or less how the writers are wanting you to feel until they finally uncover the mysteries over the last half of the season.
^Well, I certainly don't know where it's going, and I think that's great. Why would I want the show to be predictable? But rewatching the show does help get things straight in your head. The show still has an absurd number of mysteries, but I think on the whole if you rewatch the show it helps get those mysteries in some kind of order.
I got the sense from an earlier line. Claire said, about herself, that she's not the one who needs saving. Now, I took that to mean that Kate needs saving, not in the physical danger sense but in a pseudo religious sense. In other words, she'll be "saved" by following Locke.
Or, maybe, it was in the physical sense knowing that Claire wanted to save Kate so Claire could interogate Kate about Aaron's whereabouts later on. She wouldn't want Kate to die without passing on this information. After all, it must be obvious to her that after unLocke cleaned out the temple that Aaron is not there.
Also, Locke's odd look at Kate was both probably surprise that she was there but also an awareness that he had told Claire that Aaron was in the temple but Kate would know the truth.
Mr Awe
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