Kes and the Year of Hell
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We can also argue that Kes's report on the Krenim and the Chroniton Torpedo temporal variance of 1.47micro-seconds never survived into YoH as we saw it because of the first change that Annorax did (which hit Voyager and changed things radically for them).
The temporal shockwave was only changing things within a certain radius to begin with (what used to be Krenim Imperium) and Voyager got to the outer edge of it's limit when it hit.
Once the shockwave hit the ship, the timeline for Voyager changed and they ended up suffering heavy damage from the Krenim (newly transformed) battleship.
The information Kes provided could have been erased as a result, or damaged beyond the crew's ability to retrieve.
The temporal shockwave was only changing things within a certain radius to begin with (what used to be Krenim Imperium) and Voyager got to the outer edge of it's limit when it hit.
Once the shockwave hit the ship, the timeline for Voyager changed and they ended up suffering heavy damage from the Krenim (newly transformed) battleship.
The information Kes provided could have been erased as a result, or damaged beyond the crew's ability to retrieve.
..but Voyager was stopped by the Krenium before that all happened. Remember Janeway's reply was: "Unless you have something bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm going through." Then they went to visit the Zall ambassidor, who disappeared when the shockwave hit.
So even before that shockwave hit, Janeway nor Tuvok had any recollection of Kes' warning not to enter Krenium space. Which means all that was erased before then.
That wasn't the first shockwave. Just the first one we saw. Just like Star Wars A New Hope wasn't the first Star Wars movie, even in 1977(?), it was always the fourth... The less said about Leonard part 6 the better.
Annorax's crew were tired and bitchy and ready biting at the bit for mutiny because they'd been at this for 200 years when we saw them make those "first" changes evident in this storytelling, not 40 minutes after a couple failed attempts.
O.
Kes vs. 7?
"Any blonde will do."
Is what I got from the swictheroo, but Kes was more self serving, not to mention she was doomed like Spock in Star trek II so she was the logical choice for a suicide mission like getting close enough to that faulty live torpedo to dry hump it, but Seven was noble putting her peach shaped ass on line fro the entire ship as well as herself while ding exactly the same task.
Annorax's crew were tired and bitchy and ready biting at the bit for mutiny because they'd been at this for 200 years when we saw them make those "first" changes evident in this storytelling, not 40 minutes after a couple failed attempts.
O.
Kes vs. 7?
"Any blonde will do."
Is what I got from the swictheroo, but Kes was more self serving, not to mention she was doomed like Spock in Star trek II so she was the logical choice for a suicide mission like getting close enough to that faulty live torpedo to dry hump it, but Seven was noble putting her peach shaped ass on line fro the entire ship as well as herself while ding exactly the same task.
What happens off screen doesn't count, that's why the Borg Baby is still a mystery.
Exposition is not unvoiced assumption.
There was the original clusterfuck that offed the wife.
That's one.
Annorax was consoling Chuckles for masterminding a dimwitted falsestart to save Voyager where he details how he himself had made the simplest dumb ass error in judgement which totally blew up in his face too.
That's two.
Before and After. I think that this might have been time before the Borg and Anorax started meddling. A timeline I would prefer to refer to as "Virgin Time".
That's three.
There was the Futures end time line were Voyager was destroyed a year before it entered krenim Space, detonating our solar system in the 29th century.
That's four.
there was the First contact timeline before Picard went back in time and BOrg makeup looked like it did in TNG, the first contact timeline where the Borg assimilated the planet in the 21st century so that Voyager never went to the DQ and then the First contact timeline where the Borg sent technical data to their 21st century counterparts drastically altering the shape of Borgspace for ever after.
That's Seven.
There was the original clusterfuck that offed the wife.
That's one.
Annorax was consoling Chuckles for masterminding a dimwitted falsestart to save Voyager where he details how he himself had made the simplest dumb ass error in judgement which totally blew up in his face too.
That's two.
Before and After. I think that this might have been time before the Borg and Anorax started meddling. A timeline I would prefer to refer to as "Virgin Time".
That's three.
There was the Futures end time line were Voyager was destroyed a year before it entered krenim Space, detonating our solar system in the 29th century.
That's four.
there was the First contact timeline before Picard went back in time and BOrg makeup looked like it did in TNG, the first contact timeline where the Borg assimilated the planet in the 21st century so that Voyager never went to the DQ and then the First contact timeline where the Borg sent technical data to their 21st century counterparts drastically altering the shape of Borgspace for ever after.
That's Seven.
Still, he was one of those responsible for axing the character and he has often defended that act in public.
Not to mention that he destroyed the character totally in "Fury".
i understood that in space a straight line isn't necessarily the shortest way, space isn't homogenous. they couldn't cross the galactic core anyway, there's lots of stars and a nasty black hole lurking.
i wonder how the story went on for annorax. at first i must mention my confusion that a mad scientist can build and use a ship like that which messes with entire civilizations. don't they have a government and regulations? voyager hit the reset button for him and continued its journey, but annorax returned to a point were that technology existed already, so he probably departed onto the next loop.
That's his job.
He would have to do the same thing if Garrett Wang was the one let go too.
You_Guyz
Commander
That's his job.
He would have to do the same thing if Garrett Wang was the one let go too.
Well its not really anyones job to defend any Voyager-related decisions no matter what once the show has ended.
That's his job.
He would have to do the same thing if Garrett Wang was the one let go too.
Well its not really anyones job to defend any Voyager-related decisions no matter what once the show has ended.
She was fired, it was justified.
It part of the shows history and can't be erased.
He stands by it
We've gone over this ad nausium
End of story.
The firing was not justified.
The history can be written around with skill, will and imagination.
He stands for it which means that he obviously feel no remorse.
We have goen trough this before and will probably do so again becaue an unjustice is not justified only because some years has passed.
The history can be written around with skill, will and imagination.
He stands for it which means that he obviously feel no remorse.
We have goen trough this before and will probably do so again becaue an unjustice is not justified only because some years has passed.
You_Guyz
Commander
That's his job.
He would have to do the same thing if Garrett Wang was the one let go too.
Well its not really anyones job to defend any Voyager-related decisions no matter what once the show has ended.
She was fired, it was justified.
It part of the shows history and can't be erased.
He stands by it
We've gone over this ad nausium
End of story.
I didn't say otherwise, I was just refuting your point that it is his job to stand by all decisions made on the shows he has worked on.
I have to agree it's not his job to defend his decisions. One of the reasons I love commentaries is that if they're done well (Ron Moore with nuBSG for example) then you find out what they were going for an why they think it didn't ultimately work out. This makes the "bad" episodes easier to stomach.
I would guess he still stands by because he still agrees with it.
She was fired, it was justified.
It part of the shows history and can't be erased.
He stands by it
We've gone over this ad nausium
End of story.
I didn't say otherwise, I was just refuting your point that it is his job to stand by all decisions made on the shows he has worked on.
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