In a hurry to leave the nexus, why?

[marsh8472]

Picard was in a hurry to leave the Nexus with Kirk to stop Soran. But they were in a place where they were immortal, time had no meaning, and could leave the Nexus at any time and stop Saran then. So why didn't Picked just put his feet up for a year or a million billion years and risk his life to stop Saran later. If there are no consequences to wait until later to do something, why do it immediately?

 

[φ of π]

For the same reason he didn't go back a few days earlier and call his brother an idiot for not having a smoke alarm.

Plot.

 

[Commishsleer]

While I agree that the Nexus is just one pile of magic nonsense with ita ability to allow anyone to time travel, to physically travel anywhere in the universe, to grant you everything you wish for, to keep you alive forever I think there was a valid reason for Picard to act quickly. Since the Nexus was also able to hypnotise you into staying there forever he had to move quickly while he could before he became like Kirk forever chopping wood or whatever Kirk's ideal fantasy was.

If he had waited 10 millions years or so he would have been lost forever to his Christmas ultimate fantasy.

 

[tharpdevenport]

The hurry is the least of the problems with the writing. Off the top of my head:

* Why go back to such a last-minute point? Why not go back to when, for example, Soran was on the Enterprise and you had transporters, security guards, and forcefields?

* Assuming you want to bypass the easy sensible route as described above, why is Kirk picked? I know, if you can go to when ever, why not pick up somebody that's really an ass-kicker, or how about taking weapons or a ship with you?

* And why only one person? How about ganging up on Soran?

* How do you even know you left the Nexus for certain?

* How did you leave the Nexus? If you can't fly a ship into it and the only way found to possibly get in is to let it sweap you away on a planet's surface (which, by the way, how in the world do you find out that is possible?), how in hte world do you exit it so easily?

* If you can pick the solar system, galaxy, planet, and spot on the planet you can get back to along with a general time frame, why can't you put yourself someplace useful, like at the controls of the rocket?

* Man, of all the potential people inside the Nexus, what dumb luck you happen to not only run into another human, but a Starfleet officer and a previous Enterprise Captain! Lucky break is lucky break!

* If in the Nexus time has no meaning, then how does the Nexus know what time you are thinking of to go back to?

* How do you communicate with the Nexus? Is it sentient? Sentient enough to keep you alive, communicate with you, send you back in time, but not enough to avoid ships and planets.

* If again avoiding the easy sensible route from the first example, doesn't Kirk know anybody esle there that he can tell something along the lines of, "Hey, could you wait five or ten minutes, then come after me incase I get shot in the back like a little bitch?"

* How does it know which reality to send you to? If you have to tell it, how do you know which reality you were from? We've seen one episodes where the boundaries of time and space break own and multiple Enterprises appeared, so we know there are tons of alternate realities, so if the Nexus is a convergence of time and space, they're all mixed up and jumbled in there. So, how do we even know Kirk is dead? Is that the Kirk from the timeline of the show or a Kirk from an alternate reality? Then Kirk could still be alive in the Nexus. There could be hundred of Kirks in there, overwhelming tiem and space with the magnitude of awsome they have.

 

[Gary 11's]

* How did you leave the Nexus?

This was my main problem. There's no mention of how to leave or choose the time and location. Think of all the other episodes where the crew are trapped in an anomaly of some sort. This was often the main focus of the plot. But in this film, Picard and Kirk simply appear back in the real world with no explanation.

 

[marsh8472]

I just thought of another problem myself. When Picard leaves the Nexus to stop Soran, why aren't there 2 Picards?

 

[Smellmet]

Just another reason to add to the list of why the idiotic nexus completely undermines the otherwise excellent generations.

 

[tharpdevenport]

The Nexus falls into line with an idea I developed I would guess about two years ago, which I am still calling loosely:

No V'Ger's

To quote myself from another TrekBBS thread:

Basically, if you write something on any Star Trek film or TV series, there should be no big, or powerful, or life-changing things that could easily alter the course of the unvierse or all of humanity and then never see it again, so no Guardian of Forever or V'ger or anything else like that.

Q doesn't count, because it's ben established he's in check from superiors.

 

[Commishsleer]

The problem with the Nexus was that it was so powerful it could have been used to take over the universe.

I'm guessing that when the writers found some problem in the script,, they just added another feature tio the Nexus, instead of inding some more plausible solution (ie you could transport anywhere at will).

And in reality since Picard didn't take advantage of most of the features of the Nexus you could say it was no worse than Spock's resurrection in TSFS or the Fountain of Youth planet in INS. If I had liked the rest of the movie enough I could have gotten over the stupid magic Nexus stuff. Unfortunately it had Kirks lame death and Datas weird emotion chip. So I'm not forgiving it despite some great Picard scenes in GEN.

 

[Ronald Held]

Even Assuming Picard would become entranced , he and Kirk could have taken time to plan their assault on Soran.

 

[publiusr]

They just didn't know who to use the Nexus. I might have had the 1701-A and the whole crew fall in.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Perhaps the temptation of the Nexus was so great it was a case of get out now or be lost to it's temptation forever.

Or maybe he never escaped, and everything you see from that point on is Picard's Nexus fantasy...

 

[tharpdevenport]

Even then, all it takes in a new comer who you agree with and boom -- you leave the Nexus.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I just thought of another problem myself. When Picard leaves the Nexus to stop Soran, why aren't there 2 Picards?

I guess the idea is that Nexus-Picard overwrites the Picard that was on Veridian III.

 

[Devilpogostick]

The Nexus was a pretty ridiculous idea that was pretty much underutilized. I could only think that Picard choose to get the flip out of there is that he was still tempted even after making his choice and figure he should get out while he can...Or something like that.

Course, why right at confronting Soran than...Well, any actual time before that entire mess happened or before Picard's family was killed in that fire? Probably Picard decided that while saving Robert and family is neat, it kinda undermines the whole feeling that life gives you obstacles but that’s how life is and trying to cheat the reality of it to make it the way you want is not the answer....I think.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Heck, why stop at the events in Generations, now that I am thinking about it.


Picard could have traveled back to before the massacre of Wolf 359, saved a shit ton of lives, kept it to himself any future events and go about like he knows nothing, and have Starfleet on alert to arrest Soran and why without secret sources letting him know what was up.


Hell, why not have Kirk go back to the prior events of the Enterprise B, use his pull to get the Enterprise B out even an hour early, tell them there are El-orian refugee ships in danger, warp out, save them, and avoid Soran even having to experience the Nexus. Then Picard can live, Riker's comments indicating Kirk was alive and Scotty's indicating Kirk was alive would still be accurate, and Kirk would get to live.

Seems like a win win.

 

[Kemaiku]

I guess the idea is that Nexus-Picard overwrites the Picard that was on Veridian III.

Which could cause issues depending how far back he went, especially as above if he went to 359 he would have been put intot his Borg self and unable to do anything.

I do find it odd that Q started leaving him alone only after he went through the Nexus. Maybe it makes people immune to them, and why he dislikes Guinan so.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I said before the massacre; he wasnt' a Borg in the entire first episode. There are any number of thigns he could have done to prevent it from happening, both on the Enterprise's end, and potentially even his end as a Borg.

 

[Kemaiku]

How? they only survived by exploiting his connection after being partially assimilated. Without that the Queen would have known something was wrong using their temporal sensors, that he knew she was there etc

She would have just bulldozed the Enterprise as well.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Well, off the top of my head a few small examples (keep in mind I am discounting the Queen, as she was an after-the-fact addition and if she was really there, the sleep thing wouldn't have worked):

* Picard already knows the outcome and how they defeated the Borg. So he could have instructed Data to perform the rescue operation sooner and put the Borg to sleep sooner to destroy the cube.

* Picard could have left himself orders or again to Data who can keep a secret, to infect Picard with the virus that was suggested in a previous episode. Again having Picard assimilated earlier before Wolf 359.

* They could have forced a confrontation with the Borg earlier, lured it to a sun, used the thermal sheilding, and taken out the cube.


That's with less than ten minutes of quick thought.


And if you want to insist the Queen was there, then okay, so Picard knows she was there. Taking a bording party, knowing that a shuttle can get through the sheilds (how the fuck does that work again?), and go Queen hunting. The Borg will ignore them until they do something, or the Queen signals the drones to attack. If the droens can't adapt quickly enough to modulating phaser fire, neither can the Queen.