If Star Trek Beyond Is The Last Film Should They Start NuTNG or Recast

[eyeresist]

Re: If Star Trek Beyond Is The Last Film Should They Start NuTNG or Re

Here's a question more on-topic. If they did decide to 'jump forward' to NuNext-Gen (and I'm not saying they will), would people prefer new versions of the exact same Next-Gen crew (ala Abrams films), or something like the initial EU relaunches where they kept maybe two of the 'main' regulars from Next-Gen and introduced bunch of originals and minor characters from other series?

"Minor characters from other series"? Why not major characters?
I've seen a suggestion that mixes and matches the Berman-era characters and locations in interesting ways, and I think that's the way to go.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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It's been a while so here's Star Trek Deep Space Voyager the Next Generation,again.

Deep Space Voyager the Next Generation​

An epic multi-POV, arc based series in the mode of Game of Thrones.

• Deep Space Nine- Formerly an orbital Cardassian ore processing station, the Bajoran Provisional Government has turned it over to Starfleet to serve as the base of operations for the defense and exploration of the Bajor Sector and beyond. In addition to Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia, there is a large civilian population on the station that includes Bajorans, Starfleet dependants and other foreign nationals.
  
  • Commodore Benjamin Sisko- Starfleet Commander for the Bajoran Sector. Sisko is veteran of the Cardassian Wars. His wife, Jennifer and son, Jake live with him on DS9, but he has misgivings about them being so close to the Cardassian border.
    Lt. Commander Tuvok- Starfleet Intelligence. Tuvok oversees various on ongoing SI operations in the sector. Some of which might be above Sisko's "pay grade".
    
  • Commander Katherine Pulaski- Chief Medical Officer. A veteran officer with strong opinions, she's often a thorn in the side of Sisko and his unofficial conscience. She's also fond of needling Tuvok and has a low opinion of "spies".
    
  • Lt. .Commander Data- Chief Operations Officer. An android. Data is in charge of keeping the station running. Given its blend of Federation. Cardassian and Bajoran technology it a task that keeps Data busy around the clock. Not needing sleep he is well suited for the task. As an android wishing to become more "human" Tuvok finds him
    fascinating.
    
  • Colonel Kira Nerys- Bajoran Liaison Officer. Kira was a member of the Bajoran Resistance during the Cardassian Occupation. She is still wanted in the Cardassian Union for terrorism. She coordinates activities that involve Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia.
    
  • Constable Odo- Chief of Law Enforcement for the station. A shapeshifter of unknown origin, Odo was raised on the station by Bajorans. He is strongly attached to the station and sees it as his only home. While nominally in charge of civilian law enforcement, Sisko likes to use Odo for Starfleet related operations as well.
    
  • Quark- A Ferengi merchant who runs a casino on DS9's promenade. He is also heavily involved in various criminal activities in the sector. As such, he and Odo have an adversarial relationship.
    
  • Garak- A Cardassian tailor who runs a shop on the promenade. He is the only Cardassian still on the station. His reasons for staying are currently a mystery. Though Tuvok certainly has a few ideas.
    
  • Dukat - A Gul in the Cardassian military. Dukat is the former Prefect of Bajor and presided over the transition from the Cardassian Union to the Bajoran Provisional Government. Currently he is the military commander for the Cardassian territory adjacent to the Bajor Sector. He would very much like to be Prefect of Bajor again.
  
  
• The USS Enterprise- A Galaxy class vessel, the Enterprise is the newest and most advanced ship in Starfleet. It's primary mission is establishing diplomatic relations with the new worlds beyond Bajor. It's staff includes a large diplomatic team.
  
  • Captain Jean-Luc Picard- The ship's Commanding Officer. Picard is a man weary of war. The prospect of commanding a mission of exploration and diplomacy has kept him Starfleet. He sees a new war on the horizon and is making every effort to change course.
    
  • Lt. Commander Chakotay- The ship's Executive Officer. Chakotay's homeworld was on the frontlines of the Cardassian Wars and now lies in Cardassian territory. He's not happy being a ship who's main objective is to "make nice" with the Cardassians.
    
  • Ambassador Deanna Troi- The sector's Chief Diplomatic Officer, she divides her time between DS9 and the Enterprise. As a civilian, she's not always greeted with open arms by Starfleet. Her goals are often at odds with Commodore Sisko's, the sector's military commander. Picard is more open minded and she prefers the Enterprise to DS9
    [*]Lt. B'Elanna Torres- The ship's Chief Engineering Officer. She served with Chakotay in the Cardassian Wars and shares his views on making peace with them.
    
  • Lt. Commander Beverly Crusher - The ship's Chief Medical Officer. The widow of Jack Crusher, Picard's former XO and closest friend. Her son is in Starfleet and she worries about his future.
    
  • Ensign Ro Laren- The ship's Flight Control Officer. Born in a Bajoran refugee camp she's never been to Bajor before this assignment. She's at odds with native born Bajorans, who see the refugees as cowards who chose to flee rather than fight
  
  
• The USS Defiant- A Defiant class light cruiser. Its primary mission is defense of the station and the Bajor system. It serves as the flagship for the commander of DS9.The Defiant is a warship, part of the legacy of the Cardassian Wars. It's crew is small and most are experienced combat officers.
  
  • Commander William T. Riker- The Defiant's Commanding Officer. Riker comes across as a genial sort, quick with a joke and a twinkle in his eye. He's also known to have an eye for the ladies. In a combat situation he's all business, though. A clever commander with a trick or two up his sleeve.
    
  • Lt. Commander Elizabeth Shelby- The ship's Executive Officer. She's all business, all the time and isn't afraid to speak her mind if she thinks Riker ( or anyone else) is wrong. She has high standards and if she had her way the crew would be drilling around the clock.
    
  • Lt. Worf- The ship's tactical officer. On a ship the size of the Defiant, tactical includes flight control. He respects Riker and admires Shelby.
    
  • EMH- Experimental Medical Hologram. A new technology currently being tested on the Defiant. It's inventor, Dr. Louis Zimmerman is on board overseeing the test. (or is he?)
    
  • Lt. Ezri Tigan- Medical Officer. Tigan is Combat Field Medic and provides backup for the EMH. An unjoined Trill, who's not on the candidate list, she lives life to the fullest.
    
  • Lt. Geordi La Forge- The ship's Chief Engineering Officer. Blinded in the Cardassian War, La Forge can interface with the ship's systems through his VISOR, a device that enables him to see. As such he feels and senses what the ship does. At times this seems to cut him off from his crewmates and he wonders if he is losing his humanity.
    
  • Ensign Harry Kim- Operations Officer. A rookie right out of the academy he's in awe of these "heroes".
  
  
• The USS Voyager- An Intrepid class scout ship. It primary mission is science and exploration. Most of its crew are in the Science division and the rest is comprised of young officers, some just out of the Academy. Because of this, the ship has been nicknamed "The School Bus". Voyager spends most of its time away from the Bajor Sector in unexplored territory.
  
  • Commander Kathryn Janeway- The ship's Commanding Officer. Formerly in the Science Division, this is Janeway's first command. For her the thrill of the "hunt" is what drives her. She needs to know what's behind the next nebula and beyond the farthest star.
    
  • Lt. Commander Jadzia Dax- The ship's Executive Officer and Chief Science Officer. A joined Trill, Dax can call upon decades of experience from her previous hosts. Which is at odds with her youthful appearance. A close friend of Sisko in her previous host, he still calls her "The Old Man". A name that followed her to Voyager.
    
  • Chief Petty Officer Miles O'Brien- The ship's Chief Engineer. The real old man aboard the ship, he has a decade on most of the crew. A veteran of the Cardassian Wars, He's one of Janeway's trusted advisors and a father figure to the younger crewmen. (Just don't tell him that). His wife, Keiko, lives on DS9.
    
  • Lt. Julian Bashir- The ship's Chief Medical Officer. Young, inexperienced and on his first deep space mission, Bashir is out of his element and tries to cover it up with bravado. O'Brien has taken him under his wing.
    
  • Ensign Wesley Crusher- Operations Officer. A gifted young man, Crusher completed Starfleet Academy in record time. He's the youngest member of the crew and very aware of this As such he is over eager to prove himself. His mother is the CMO on the Enterprise.
    
  • Lt. Tasha Yar- The Ship's Chief Security Officer. Growing up as an orphan on failed colony where every day was a fight for survival, Yar feels out of place on a ship full of scientists and overachievers.
    
  • Lt. Tom Paris- Flight Control Officer. Paris is onboard the Voyager as a favor to Admiral Owen Paris, Janeway's former CO. Paris has been a disciplinary problem (and embarrassment to his father) in the past. Voyager is his "last chance".

 

[Trekkin]

Re: If Star Trek Beyond Is The Last Film Should They Start NuTNG or Re

Here's a question more on-topic. If they did decide to 'jump forward' to NuNext-Gen (and I'm not saying they will), would people prefer new versions of the exact same Next-Gen crew (ala Abrams films), or something like the initial EU relaunches where they kept maybe two of the 'main' regulars from Next-Gen and introduced bunch of originals and minor characters from other series?

"Minor characters from other series"? Why not major characters?
I've seen a suggestion that mixes and matches the Berman-era characters and locations in interesting ways, and I think that's the way to go.

You're not going to get any strong reason not to from me. It's just that's how the examples I used (initially) worked. For eg. Ro as the commander of DS9. It wasn't a personal preference or anything.

I liked Worf in DS9, so I know what you're saying can work on screen.

 

[eyeresist]

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It's been a while so here's Star Trek Deep Space Voyager the Next Generation, again.
...

That's what I was thinking of! I love the possibilities of this new configuration. My only proviso would be that I don't want to see Worf basically being a mook, as he was too often on TNG. He should be a major player on the bridge, not just used for exposition and comic relief.

WORF: Captain, I suggest that for once you don't do the opposite of what I suggest.

 

[Autistoid]

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I just don't see the need to pigeon-hole the show with that type of restraining concept when you can still do those types of stories within Star Trek's open format.

That really was the beauty of TOS (and later TNG), you could do any kind of story you wanted and it didn't seem out of place. They did comedy, court room drama, morality plays, medical drama, spy shows and everything in between. The open format and episodic nature of the shows made them open to everyone that wanted to try them.

Yes anything could happen and that was added to the camp.

Today he's chief petty officer, tomorrow president of the federation two episodes later part of the Q continuum.

Regardless all of the things you mention are still completely possible, although on a slightly more compelling scale.

http://io9.com/the-top-100-star-trek-episodes-of-all-time-1641565699

Going through the list most of the best are still completely possible. While many of them would be enhanced if picard was playing the role of an xfiles type agent investigating, both political/scientific incidences that had an effect on the federation.

In fact I think much of the concept would only add to many of picards best episodes.

A leader of the borg, a diplomat, a person who has lived many lives etc. It's such a well established part of the character.

 

[BillJ]

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Regardless all of the things you mention are still completely possible, although on a slightly more compelling scale.

I honestly don't see anything compelling about making Picard a spy. YMMV.

 

[Greg Cox]

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However, most think of TOS as a very corny and unwatchable show for the most part in my experience.

Speak for yourself, please! I'm not sure what "most" you're talking about, but, trust me, "most" of the people I know do not consider the show "unwatchable."

TOS remains the only Trek show I own in its entirety and it's still the one I'm most likely to rewatch when I want a "Star Trek" fix.

 

[fireproof78]

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Regardless all of the things you mention are still completely possible, although on a slightly more compelling scale.

I honestly don't see anything compelling about making Picard a spy. YMMV.

I'm inclined to agree. As I said before, Section 31 has grown annoying to me, and I don't think that it makes for a better story, one way or another. Again, as BillJ said, YMMV.

 

[Trekkin]

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I think they're running into the same problem the Borg did. When they were introduced, they were mysterious, efficient and scarce. They came it, they did something fairly immoral for a 'good' reason, they got the result they wanted and they left. With DS9 in 'all out war' mode, they were almost something necessary that needed to be addressed - that is, the spy game. Like most people in DS9, they were developed and deconstructed.

Then they start showing up outside of DS9's 'desperate times,' and in that context they're more clear cut villains. They're thwarted a couple of times, and we learn more and more about them. It ends up being harder and harder to believe they're still 'secret' (and I'm not just talking about STID), and everyone and their mothers have some sort of connection to them (especially in the EU). What made them interesting in the first place is starting to be diluted.

I'm not saying that's 'true', just why I'm wary of them being used too often.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

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I'm sure Abrams and company were trying to respect long-term fans and have gotten constantly pissed on for the effort over the last seven years.

An object lesson for CBS I'd say.

One that I hoped Warner Bros. would not repeat by pandering to the fans of this 60's TV spy-fi franchise that's going to be a movie this year by setting the movie version in the 1960's instead of in the present day.

It make me wonder if said 'fans' really care about Star Trek as a franchise, or just want it to die because it isn't pure enough for them as done by Abrams and Bad Robot.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

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Star Trek was not first American live-action series with interracial casting
Off the top of my head McHale's Navy (1962),Hogan's Heroes. (1965) I Spy ( 1965), Eastside Westside ( 1963) and Mission Impossible (1966) and Daktari (1966) featured interracial casts. All premiered before Star Trek. Tarzan (1966) and Hawk (1966) both premiered at the same time as Star Trek. Unlike Star Trek, the black characters/actors in many of these shows were leads and co stars. The move to hire people of color was actually spearheaded by the networks, studios and advertisers. IIRC, Roddenberry was sent a memo asking him to cast people of color for the show. The cast for "the Cage" was pretty white.

The Man From UNCLE ( 1964) featured a Russian character years before Chekov showed up on TOS. Hogan's Heroes had English, French and German characters as regulars. I'm sure there are other shows featuring non-American characters as well.

If you want to go farther back, the first instances of racial casting was on Sgt. Bilko back in the 50's, and Nipsey Russell as a cop on Car 54, Where Are You?, as well as Sammee Tong on Bachelor Father in the early 60`s.

 

[TRON JA307020]

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However, most think of TOS as a very corny and unwatchable show for the most part in my experience.

Speak for yourself, please! I'm not sure what "most" you're talking about, but, trust me, "most" of the people I know do not consider the show "unwatchable."

TOS remains the only Trek show I own in its entirety and it's still the one I'm most likely to rewatch when I want a "Star Trek" fix.

Agreed Greg. I still pull out a episode when I need to be comforted after a bad day or just want to watch something interesting. After still these years and watching the episodes multiple times I love it just as much now as ever before. Even the Spocks Brains episode.

 

[Cartoonist]

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Some of the actors like Qunito have mentioned they will want to move on to other things.

"I want to move on to other things" is code for "my contract's up, you'd better offer me more money if you want me to sign another one."