ReadyAndWilling
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I've only seen a few episodes from the later seasons and was wondering how powerful the station is? Could it ever handle a borg cube?
How powerful is DS9?
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Depends if its the TNG Borg or the Voyager Borg. I gather that you're are meaning the powerful Borg of TNG, so....
No DS9 couldn't handle it.
If DS9 could manage launch all their torpedoes and get 100 hits w/phasers they would do some damage...still the Borg would assimilate Quark and Rom and boom would go the station.
DS9 had to accomodate and work with Carddy tech to create a sorta hybrid. Cheif even explained in WoW that the new updates would either work or blow up.
DS9 wasn't fitted w/QT's or phasers like that of the Sov. class prolly b/c of the conflicts w/its Carddy roots.
The station did a good job vs Klingons and held its own vs the Carddies and Jems.
I would have like to see DS9 take on a Warbird.
No DS9 couldn't handle it.
If DS9 could manage launch all their torpedoes and get 100 hits w/phasers they would do some damage...still the Borg would assimilate Quark and Rom and boom would go the station.
DS9 had to accomodate and work with Carddy tech to create a sorta hybrid. Cheif even explained in WoW that the new updates would either work or blow up.
DS9 wasn't fitted w/QT's or phasers like that of the Sov. class prolly b/c of the conflicts w/its Carddy roots.
The station did a good job vs Klingons and held its own vs the Carddies and Jems.
I would have like to see DS9 take on a Warbird.
DS9 probably couldn't quite handle a Borg cube on its own, without techno solutions, but it's certainly able to take a lot of damage. It can hold off entire Klingon and Dominion fleets for at least a few rounds of combat, as seen in the Way of the Warrior and Call to Arms, and its weapons can certainly be stored in large quantities.
Of course, if this Borg cube showed up just after Voyager returned, and the admiralty decided to add tranphasic torpedoes to DS9, rather than just the E-E, as they did in Gods of Night (No, I haven't read the other 2 books) for fears that the Borg would adapt if used too widely, then the Borg would go down within seconds. Unless that happened, then no.
I thought a Borg cube could take out an entire Federation fleet? If so I doubt DS9 could last for long.
DS9 is a super-weak piece of crap that can get blown up by one ship in Season 2 (Visionary) yet all of a sudden in Season 4 it is an uber juggernaut (Way of the Warrior) that can destroy tons of ships at the same time and barely get scathed.
I know in-show they give the reason of they had some time to prepare for a Dominion attack, but even so I still find it to be a huge stretch because of how extremely sucky the station was in Visionary. IMO Visionary should be decanonized for that reason.
So as for the question in the OP: uber DS9 of S4 and on could obliterate a Borg cube no problem. Sucky DS9 of S2 and earlier however probably couldn't even handle a Ferengi freighter.
I know in-show they give the reason of they had some time to prepare for a Dominion attack, but even so I still find it to be a huge stretch because of how extremely sucky the station was in Visionary. IMO Visionary should be decanonized for that reason.
So as for the question in the OP: uber DS9 of S4 and on could obliterate a Borg cube no problem. Sucky DS9 of S2 and earlier however probably couldn't even handle a Ferengi freighter.
During the first few years of the Bajoran/Starfleet occupancy of the Cardassian mining station Terok Nor there was a massive and systematic vulnerability in terms of defense. This was due to the sabotage of the stations systems by withdrawing Central Command troops. The station was previously and largely defended by Cardassian warships and it seems that Starfleet could not spare (or simply chose not to) any vessels to serve as local defense.
Once the Dominion had been discovered in the GQ there was a widespread upgrade of the stations weapons ports and shield emitters which obviously explains the increased firepower and defensive abilities of DS9.
It is worth noting that the station's phasers and photons proved to be spectacularly effective of fast attack ships (Klingon BoP's and Jem'Hadar attack ships) but still took a barrage to inflict substantial damage on heavier cruisers.
But it still would not have had the firepower to take down a Cube.
Hopefully in some future Trek Bajor joins the Federation and then Starfleet can replace the Cardassian station with a modern Federation station.
Another problem with Visionary is that it reveals that a Warbird’s warp drive system contains a “quantum singularity” that can be detected when the ship is cloaked. Not much of a cloak, is it?
It’s always easy to penetrate a cloak when the plot requires it, but those same techniques apparently don’t work when the plot requires the cloak to work. I find that rather irritating.
Well they were orbiting the station with a very powerful sensor array. They're not gonna be detected when they're far away.
Strangely I think it was the season 3 premier we had Kira I believe state that DS9 could withstand a siege by the Dominion for two hours before it would fall, which is a pretty amazing figure...not sure how they figured that one out.
In "Visionary" didn't the Romulans also sabotage the station? Plus if they attacked the station with its shields down and knew where to hit they could probably destroy it in fairly quick order.
No way could the station destroy a Borg cube.
Dax didn't really detect the quantum singularity, she detected a temporal displacement on the station that she attributed to a quantum singularity, one that she couldn't find. She only actually even started looking because O'Brien started time jumping, so it is possible that this was a random incident caused by the Denorios belt or the proximity to the wormhole, if the Romulans knew this might happen you could think they'd park their ship across the other end of the system instead of orbiting the station.
Dax was also unable to figure out where the singularity was, only that it was close due to the effects it was having on the station so the cloaking device was still effectively keeping the ship hidden. In fact they only reason they knew it was a Warbird was because they were told by O'Brien who saw the Warbird after it decloaked in the future.
It was, but it was a full scale invasion of the station. They probably ran the analysis using information coming from observations of the Jem'Hadar and sensor data recovered from the Odyssey and the runabouts.
Given that Federation shields seemed about as useful as a comedy circuit through Vulcan I'd be surprised if it lasted 2 minutes!
It might boil down to whether the DS9's weapons can blast through the Borg's shields, or defense screens. And if it can keep the Borg from penetrating theirs. If not, then a short fight.
If it can, then with 5,000 rapid launched torpedoes, and high powered phasers, it might just be an interesting fight.
If it can, then with 5,000 rapid launched torpedoes, and high powered phasers, it might just be an interesting fight.
I think they based it more on if the Jem'Hadar launched an invasion of the station (as in taking it over).
DS9's shields weren't up in Visionary (S3, by-the-by) when the Romulans attacked, since they were taken by surprise. They were in WotW. BIG difference. (For how big, take a look at Civil Defence, also S3 - Sisko ultimately averted the self-destruct by channelling the overload from the station's main fusion core into the shields. That said, I had trouble believing they didn't lose the power core completely as a result...)
And, yeah, they didn't detect the Warbird's singularity in Visionary as such, Jadzia pegged it as the most likely kind of trigger for O'Brien's time jumps, but they couldn't find any direct evidence of one (and they never suspected that a Warbird's warp core might be to blame). If O'Brien hadn't been irradiated in that accident, they would never have known nor suspected.
