Could this be a way to get a joker and Harley on "Gotham" ?
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Spoilers Gotham - Season 2
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I dunno, it doesn't look to me like there's any chance of Barbara becoming submissively in love with Jerome. If anything, she's found a new assertiveness and independence. Plus, he's kind of young for her.
But, man, there is so much stupid in this scene, as io9 points out. A unisex prison? Striped prison uniforms? Barbara in a striped dress?
The thinking behind Gotham remains incomprehensible to me. Why do a show that focuses on the cops instead of Batman if the goal was not to do a more grounded take? If the idea was to embrace full-on Schumacher camp and silliness, why leave out the capes and costumes?
Yeah they cranked it up to 10 with the Jeffrey Coomb body swapping episode and venom
I was thinking the same thing. The character has much more potential like this. I don't have any faith in the writers/producers to actually do anything right though.
They seem to be more interested in introducing and cramming in as many characters, from the comics, as they can rather than developing any of the ones they have
Me too. It looks like there is a chance Barbara could actually be an interesting character.
I don't know how they can still try to deny that Jerome is The Joker, the more we see of him the obvious it becomes. Hell, at this point he already seems to be a more traditional Joker than what we've seen of Jared Leto.
I think there is a lot of potential in the show, but they definitely had a lot of problems in Season 1. I'm hoping this season might be able to fix some of those problem.
I don't know how they can still try to deny that Jerome is The Joker, the more we see of him the obvious it becomes. Hell, at this point he already seems to be a more traditional Joker than what we've seen of Jared Leto.
I think there is a lot of potential in the show, but they definitely had a lot of problems in Season 1. I'm hoping this season might be able to fix some of those problem.
But maybe that's a red herring, a deliberate fakeout. Sure, it'd be pretty lame to go out of their way to make him Joker-like and then have it be a fakeout, but no lamer than having him actually be the future Joker with the producers naively believing that they're somehow keeping that unclear. This show is so relentlessly terrible that there's no way to tell which of the two equally stupid options is the truth.
What I'm seeing and hearing so far suggests that they're just doubling down on the same mistakes. A major problem was having too many characters, and they've just added more characters. A major problem was their over-reliance on foreshadowing future Batman villains and allies as a substitute for solid storytelling in the here and now, and they've just blatantly come out and said that foreshadowing future Batman villains is the entire theme of the new season. A major problem was the inconsistent tone wavering between grit and camp, and now we have a grittily shot prison scene with prison uniforms out of a '30s cartoon.
Episode s02e01, is online a week early.
Hop to it.
Hop to it.
Regarding the prison -- isn't it Arkham Asylum? So perhaps some creative psychiatric rules? Certainly the unsex common room would be normal for a psych ward.
As for the capes & costumes... what heroes would be in Gotham before Batman? Isn't the reason why he emerged was the complete lack of heroes (costumed or civilian)?
Also, for the villains, to be fully costumed would attract too much attention. Riddler's still embedded in the police department (which,if they were smart, would be planting seeds he can use before coming out as a villain). Penguin is still working the traditional gangster route...he may at some point really embrace the Penguin moniker.
It's not on Fox or Hulu, so it's either not in the US or it's not up legally. Which is it?
The point is, one would've thought that the reason for choosing a "before Batman" setting in the first place was to avoid the wilder aspects and be more grounded. So if they were willing to embrace the wilder and campier aspects, and if they wanted to focus so heavily on Batman's rogues' gallery, why not just do an actual Batman show instead of a prequel?
Because WB wouldn't let them, obviously.
They are WB. Well, they're WB Television as opposed to the movie division, but it's all WB.
Except WB, unlike Marvel, really separates their divisions. I don't want to open up the United Cinematic Universe debate...but I would say this is one of the negatives with DC's approach.
As for the villains...I think it's reasonable about developing them to see how they became villains (which presumably is about them, not as a reaction to Batman). They may have been over the top WITH Batman, but surely they were somewhat like that BEFORE Batman?
I think what Gotham did with Riddler and Penguin, at least initially ... but now it does indeed seem rushing to make them full on villains.
And we agree that at least Riddler HAVING to be a murderer was just unnecessary.
It might be reasonable to have the villains go to jail (for a lower level crime, like Al Capone), and then they can reappear when Batman does.
^"Reasonable" is the last thing Gotham is interested in.
These villains are, I've been thinking, meant to represent 'original' versions of the characters.
That most all we've seen before were watered down, 'copycat' versions of these Classics, is one way to explain the variances.
That most all we've seen before were watered down, 'copycat' versions of these Classics, is one way to explain the variances.
That's been one of my biggest issues with the series since it started. There's really no reason that it had to be a prequel, most of the stuff they've done could have been done with Batman in play. The show never really felt like a Batman prequel, it just felt like a Batman show without Batman.
The early reports we heard about Gotham suggested it would have less focus on Bruce and the villains than it ended up having. I've long suspected that the show was originally intended to be more of a crime drama about Jim Gordon, but the network balked at having a Batman-related show with so few Batman elements and pushed the producers to cram more familiar stuff into the premise, leading to the bizarre hybrid we've ended up with.
Then again, the writing on this show is just so damned bad and stupid that it no longer seems reasonable to blame the awkwardness of the show's approach on the network.
Then again, the writing on this show is just so damned bad and stupid that it no longer seems reasonable to blame the awkwardness of the show's approach on the network.