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Gotham - Season 1

I was hoping all of this Wayne Enterprises Evil Board of Directors stuff would be leading to Lucius's introduction as Bruce's inside man.
 
^Yeah, that's what I'm thinking -- the Evil Board will be exposed and Lucius will spearhead the effort to clean up the company, or something like that.
 

I totally read that as "Gary Chalk cas as Lucious Fox."

To be honest, Gotham used to be the show that sat on DVR for weeks as new episodes accrued. Now, I'm watching them weekly, and I thought the show was really improving. Then we get an episode like this week's. Jeffrey Combs' character seems to be wasted, even more so that Fish's storyline seems to be going nowhere, especially with Jada leaving after this season. Putting random parts on him to punish him was...well it was something.

The problem with Loeb and potential conflict between Gordon and Bullock is tied up pretty neatly. Both elements of this week's A-plot could have provided drama for weeks or even seasons. Especially egregious is that it seems to have neutered, but not removed Loeb for the sole purpose of having him there when Gordon is ready to take over sometime around Batman's Year One, I'm assuming.
 
If I had heard early in the season that Fish probably won't be back next season I would have been disappointed, but after the last couple episode, I'm more OK with it.
I was hoping all of this Wayne Enterprises Evil Board of Directors stuff would be leading to Lucius's introduction as Bruce's inside man.

^Yeah, that's what I'm thinking -- the Evil Board will be exposed and Lucius will spearhead the effort to clean up the company, or something like that.
Sounds good to me.
 
If I had heard early in the season that Fish probably won't be back next season I would have been disappointed, but after the last couple episode, I'm more OK with it.
I was hoping all of this Wayne Enterprises Evil Board of Directors stuff would be leading to Lucius's introduction as Bruce's inside man.

^Yeah, that's what I'm thinking -- the Evil Board will be exposed and Lucius will spearhead the effort to clean up the company, or something like that.
Sounds good to me.
 
So which character will get to utter the son to be immortal line "Fish Mooney sleeps with the fishes."? :techman:
 
Well with the exception of the Fish story(I hope she gets grafted to a pig) I enjoyed this episode. The end was very solid. Bruce has great eyes to pick out someone in the dark from behind.
 
Bruce has great eyes to pick out someone in the dark from behind.

That's appropriate, since bats have good night vision (far from being "blind" as the saying would have it).

Didn't care for this one much. It was awkwardly structured, giving us information about the Ogre's crimes in flashback form during Gordon's interview with a witness, even though it depicted events the witness couldn't possibly have known about. It was also obvious from the start that the clean-cut, earnest cop was setting Gordon up in some way, and he totally fell for it.

Speaking of which, where the hell are Montoya and Allen??? They're cops that Gordon already knows he can trust. He should have them at his side as allies, but they've totally disappeared. I fear that they've been dropped from the show even though the actors are still billed as regulars.

And I didn't like the line they had Selina cross at the end. That's pushing things (so to speak) way too far for a kid her age.

I hope the whole Dollmaker interlude is finally over. That was rather pointless and unpleasant. I also wonder if Fish will start showing her hair again once she gets back to Gotham, or if the turban is here to stay.
 
I'm starting to believe Gotham's suffering from American broadcast networks need to fill a 24 episode or so season whereas shows like Agent Carter and Daredevil can tell superior and concise serialized stories with half as many shows.
 
I'm starting to believe Gotham's suffering from American broadcast networks need to fill a 24 episode or so season whereas shows like Agent Carter and Daredevil can tell superior and concise serialized stories with half as many shows.

I'm not sure that Gotham's problems are simply due to its format or length. There are other shows that manage to fill a whole season without feeling padded. I just think it's not a very well-written show for the most part. It's more of a guilty pleasure than anything else at this point. I just have to see what crazy-weird thing they're going to do next.

(Incidentally, Daredevil has a longer running time per episode due to the lack of commercials, so its 13 episodes ranging from 48 to 59 minutes each (11 hr 43 min total) actually come out to the equivalent of about 16.5 commercial TV episodes running 42 to 43 minutes each. So it's more like 2/3 of a typical season than half.)


Yeah - Catwoman was a thief, but was she ever a killer?

That depends on the version, apparently. Normally she's been portrayed as unwilling to kill, in order to make her more sympathetic, but evidently she was portrayed as a killer in Silver Age comics, and has made the occasional exception to her no-kill rule in modern comics: http://www.comicvine.com/catwoman/4005-1698/

The '60s TV-show version routinely tried to kill Batman and Robin, but otherwise was just a thief. In other words, just like every other villain on the show. Both modern movie Catwomen, Pfeiffer and Hathaway, were killers when they felt they had to be.
 
It bothered me less that Selina did it and more that Bruce was an accessory...assuming he's not going to turn her in the police.
 
Good episode. Things moved forward. I was surprised to see Catwoman killing someone (in a good way). The Ogre flashbacks were a weird writing choice since Gordan was not actually learning the information yet it was presented that way.
 
Did he die?

Crippled sure.

But are we certain that he's dead?

In the early 80s, Catwoman (drawn by Alan Davis) was briefly practically Robin II... Yes, she was still Catwoman, but there was as serious shift in her costume and personality. These crazy people in Gotham, their costumes reflect their inner turmoil. It really makes psychology a mugs game in the DCU that everything is surface.

Midnorties, during Identity Crisis, it was revealed that the Jusitice League (years earlier during that Alan Davis era) had telepathically violated Selina altering her personality, flipping her moral compass, making the murderous thief a... Pet for Batman?

Can you imagine that conversation?

"Bruce is such a downer. He needs to get laid."

"Lets gut Catwoman's brain until she's trustworthy and then fix them up."

"Yeah, they'd be hot together."
 
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