On a more practical level, of course, Adam Warlock is God. He's got the Gauntlet and everything.
Oh, is that from the Infinity Gauntlet crossover stuff? They lost me with that for a while. That crossover seemed to go on forever.
"God" In Trek
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Oh, is that from the Infinity Gauntlet crossover stuff? They lost me with that for a while. That crossover seemed to go on forever.
Astraea;2728849 Picard pretty much seems to dismiss all religion as petty superstition said:
As a Christian, I'm glad that religion was barely touched in Trek, and when it was it was given a scientific explanation or just left alone. Confirming or denying the existence of God would offend a large group of people either way. Especially if the God they greated clashed with already established religions such as my own. It was better that they just didn't touch it. They got close with the Prophets but since they were explained away as non-corporeal life forms it wasn't such a big deal.
On a more practical level, of course, Adam Warlock is God. He's got the Gauntlet and everything.
Oh, is that from the Infinity Gauntlet crossover stuff? They lost me with that for a while. That crossover seemed to go on forever.
Well, Eternity and the Living Tribunal did both first appear in Strange Tales, iirc. But they featured prominently during the struggle to separate Thanos from the omnipotence-granting Infinity Gems. The Tribunal, presumably representing his acknowledged superior, originally ruled that Thanos was competent for omnipotence despite the intent to kill half the population of the universe, and refused to intervene. Marvel Universe God: douchebag?
The Infinity Gauntlet miniseries itself is pretty sweet. The incidental crossovers, no, not so much--except for the Silver Surfer ones, which add significant content to the story. Infinity War, the sequel, was even better. All of its crossovers were garbage, except for the also Jim Starlin-penned Warlock and the Infinity Watch, which is indispensible to reading it. And then there's Infinity Crusade, which is... well, decent, but not quite as good (and yet the crossover material in Warlock Chronicles was extremely good, but of course, again, the general Marvel Universe crossover stuff was crap).
They've done some other stuff which really is just milking a dead cow.
I always saw Star Trek as being relatively objective about the issue. As in, I think Trek explored the existance of God just like every other philosophical or social issue that was explored. It was presented just as something to think about- I don't think the existance of God was ever decided for or against, but rather was left up in the air for the audience to decide.
I appreciate the way Trek handled spirituality, at least. Chakotay, for example, was very spiritual, and the religion of the Bajorans was adequately respected.
One of my favorite quotes slightly related to God is from TOS- "Maybe humans were never meant to stay in the Garden of Eden."
I appreciate the way Trek handled spirituality, at least. Chakotay, for example, was very spiritual, and the religion of the Bajorans was adequately respected.
One of my favorite quotes slightly related to God is from TOS- "Maybe humans were never meant to stay in the Garden of Eden."
I loved the way religion was handled in Star Trek V.
As in "Who Mourns for Adonis?" The "adequate" One. Ha! Merely adequate?
I tend to regard Picard's speech denouncing superstitious religion in "Who Watches the Watchers?" as a reference to that specific belief system, which was itself a superstitious deviation from their culture's general trends.
It's probably not the creative intent of the writers, but I'm creatively re-interpreting it because, even as an Atheist myself, I don't like the idea of a future where religion is so poorly tolerated.
It's probably not the creative intent of the writers, but I'm creatively re-interpreting it because, even as an Atheist myself, I don't like the idea of a future where religion is so poorly tolerated.
Yet these 24th century folks show unashamed intolerance and contempt towards many a thing we currently embrace - desire for worldly possessions, for example. Why not religion? It's the fictional future after all. It's their privilege to equate theists with cannibals or Nazis or other past barbarians...
Of course, we're not likely to get a good sample of tolerance as long as we hang around the 24th century equivalent of military hardasses. A soulless minion of orthodoxy is unlikely to be interested in, or to get clearance from his boss for, "understanding".
Timo Saloniemi
Of course, we're not likely to get a good sample of tolerance as long as we hang around the 24th century equivalent of military hardasses. A soulless minion of orthodoxy is unlikely to be interested in, or to get clearance from his boss for, "understanding".
Timo Saloniemi
Wasn't that Sisko? Once he joins the timeless wormhole aliens I assume he jumps from series to series as well as time. Then he became the leader of Q for TNG, future man in ENT, and the reason that Janeway managed to defeat the Borg and return to earth. Oh, and he was smart enough to stay away from TOS because Kirk would have found a way to kill him.
Because official rejection of religion as social policy is incompatible with liberal democracy.
A wise man once said:
I agree with you.
For myself, not just because I believe in God, but because I believe what the Bible says about wisdom and knowledge being a protection. That goes with faith, spirituality and religion, to me. I don't think people should ever stop thinking. I think that people need to have a firm foundation with evidence for what they believe, even if you're not going to be able to prove it to everyone... it's a mistake to just go with the flow without any... examination.
Not sure... they tend to throw in... I don't know what it's called... I guess just subtle things like that in ST a lot. And tolerance is a huge theme in Star Trek. And it's not like intolerance could ever stop at one thing. It's impossible for intolerance to only exist towards one group, it will always infect others.
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