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"God" In Trek

Infinitus

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We all know that there are many lifeforms that take on the role of God. We have aliens with advanced technology(the Founders) non-corporeal aliens that possesses powers beyond mortals(Prophets and Pah-Wraith) and we have beings that are nigh-omnipotent and make it their buisness to but into our affairs(Q). But in the canon of Trek, is there an all-powerful entity that created the infinite number of universes and parelle universes that make up that Star Trek universe? Like the guy that orders Q and the rest of the Continnum around.

Also I know I am a bad speller.
 
I think TPTB deliberately kept quiet on that issue - which I think was a good idea. I like my Continuum to stay somewhat mysterious. At least one of the novels (I.Q.) mentions the Supreme Deity, though - but of course, who's to say that there's not another one above that one? And the novels aren't canon, even one written by de Lancie himself.

(Actually, I don't see very many errors, Infinitus. Personally, I really appreciate the effort! ;))
 
The TOS episode "Bread and Circuses" acknowledges GOD and His Son, Jesus Christ. This was an affirmation of my faith, at a time when I needed to have my faith reaffirmed. I actually resented TNG's later denial of GOD's existence. My faith is still important to me.
 
Traditionally, the God in "classic" thinking (the Judeo-Hellenistic-Christian-Islamic tradition) has been defined by four attributes:

-Creator of all
-Ruler of all
-Guardian of afterlife
-Omnipotent and omniscient

However, assigning all four jobs to the same official seems unnecessary. Why would the Creator of All bother to rule anything? Ruling is such a petty thing. OTOH, why would ruling of the universe or afterlife management require omnipotency or omniscience? We have plenty of experience with management that suffices without.

For all we know, the Q created the universe in some sort of a logical loop, without being either omnipotent or omniscient - hence the somewhat sloppy end result. They do some ruling, but they don't really sweat the details, and nobody higher up does any ruling of greater detail or potency, either (even if somebody higher up does exist). They are comfortable with toying with the afterlife of puny humanoids when it pleases their sense of humor, but there's nothing supernatural or even systematic about it; select individuals may experience life after death, or life during death, or life before birth, or other unusual occurrences - but only on the whim of the Q.

OTOH, the four attributes could be split between four completely unrelated advanced entities. Perhaps there's an omnipotent and omniscient entity out there, but it never bothered to take any part in creation, ruling or afterlife management - whereas the creator leaves the ruling to others.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Stephen Hawking was told by his editor that for every scientific formula he put into A Brief History of Time, he would lose a proportion of readers. I think all space opera applies the same dictum to Earth religion(s).
 
We all know that there are many lifeforms that take on the role of God. We have aliens with advanced technology(the Founders) non-corporeal aliens that possesses powers beyond mortals(Prophets and Pah-Wraith) and we have beings that are nigh-omnipotent and make it their buisness to but into our affairs(Q). But in the canon of Trek, is there an all-powerful entity that created the infinite number of universes and parelle universes that make up that Star Trek universe? Like the guy that orders Q and the rest of the Continnum around.

Also I know I am a bad speller.

I don't think there's any evidence one way or the other on the existence of a God in the Trekverse. The most that we can say is that the Wormhole Aliens/Prophets seem to fit the Bajoran definition of a god.

If there is a God in the Judeo-Christian sense of the term, though, it seems unlikely that the Q would be taking their marching orders from it. Most likely, the Q would be no closer -- and as uncertain that it exists -- as people in real life are.
 
Good grief, yet ANOTHER "religion and Trek" topic?! It was at least five minutes since the last one...
Agreed -

EVERYONE - let's keep responses Trek related and focused on the original Trek-based question asked in the opening post:
But in the canon of Trek, is there an all-powerful entity that created the infinite number of universes and parallel universes that make up that Star Trek universe? Like the guy that orders Q and the rest of the Continnum around.
 
I dunno, I just don't get where Star Trek is supposedly anti-God. Maybe Roddenberry was atheist, but I never really saw that translated to the screen. There have been plenty of stories of aliens posing as gods (or even fake gods), but I think Trek has been generally neutral on religion in that it kind of stresses that people can believe in whatever faith that they prefer*.

I think one good example of Trek being a universe that allows multiple faiths was a brief line from TOS' "The Corbomite Maneuver" in which the Enterprise was captured by a more powerful alien ship...
ALIEN COMMANDER:Your ship must be destroyed. We make assumption you have a deity or deities or some such beliefs which comfort you. We therefore grant you ten Earth time periods known as minutes to make preparations...
To me, the highlighted part sums up religion in Trek to me perfectly. It acknowledges and respects the possibility that different people have different belief systems...

*Unless their god is actually a malfunctioning supercomputer that demands humanoid sacrifices, then Kirk is going to find some way to blow it up...
 
The Star Trek universe definitely isn't one where God can't exist.

The Q continuum have powers over the physical universe that historically have been ascribed to God or a god. The Prophets have the ability to see all of time, and therefore accurately predict the future, and have used that ability to guide the Bajorans to help them out.

Is it too far of a stretch to think that the Q could create a universe? Is it beyond their power to have caused the big bang? We don't know, but to me it seems it's possible.

If the Q are so powerful and all-knowing, then is it too much of a stretch to think that there is another being that is omnipotent and omniscient, which caused the big bang (which lead to Human life)? What if that being cared about the civilizations that spawned, and communicated to them revealing it's nature? If this being existed in Trek, then it would be consistent with what Jews, Christians, and Muslims would call God.
 
There's only one thing we know for sure about "God" in the Star Trek universe: he needs a starship.

What he needs with one, however, is a bit of a mystery.

;)
 
I dunno, I just don't get where Star Trek is supposedly anti-God. Maybe Roddenberry was atheist, but I never really saw that translated to the screen. There have been plenty of stories of aliens posing as gods (or even fake gods), but I think Trek has been generally neutral on religion in that it kind of stresses that people can believe in whatever faith that they prefer.

I think that Picard's speech to the Mintakans in "Who Watches the Watchers?" is the one item that's most frequently brought up. Picard pretty much seems to dismiss all religion as petty superstition, and the speech itself does come across as sounding more than a little self-righteous, to say the least.
 
^ That's true, but do we know for a fact that Picard's views on the subject are representative of the whole of humanity or the Federation of the time? I don't think so.

In fact, we've seen that there is quite a bit of religion in the Star Trek universe. Uhura's line in "Bread and Circuses" at least speaks to their knowing of the Son of God. Kirk's line to Apollo also seems to suggest a belief in God. We know Chakotay has a deep spiritual faith. We hear Data refer to religious celebrations aboard the Enterprise-D. To say nothing of the religious expressions we see from the many non-human races both inside and outside of the Federation.

No, it seems more likely to me that religion continues to thrive in the 23rd and 24th centuries. And most people are very tolerant of each other's faiths. And there are still a few, like Picard, who unfortunately are not.
 
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