Geordie's wife and kids in "All Good Things" vs. "Picard"

[WarpTenLizard]

I'm unsure if this belongs under TNG or PIC. But since the question pertains more to the TNG finale "All Good Things," I decided on here.

So in "All Good Things," we see a future where Geordie is married with three kids. The wife is named Leah. The kids are named as Brett, Alandra and Sidney.

In "Star Trek: Picard," we meet Alandra and Sidney. I don't recall any mention of their mother or brother.

The website Memory Alpha claims that Leah from "All Good Things" was Dr. Leah Brahams. It also claims that Brett La Forge only existed in that timeline. Again, I can't find the proof. I don't recall any mention of Alanda and Sidney being Geordie's only children. But it's been a while since I watched the series.

So ....do we have any canon dialogue or evidence of Brett's existence or non-existence in the prime timeline, or Leah Brahms marrying Geordie in either of them?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Prime Bret is mentioned in The Needs of the Many.

 

[Michael]

That’s probably besides the point, but I always found it super silly that they would make Leah Brahms his wife in the “All Good Things …” future. Just seems kinda weird after she had already rejected him in the earlier episode. If this was some wish fulfilment dream scenario for La Forge, then sure, make her Leah Brahms. But if this was supposed to depict the “actual” or likely future, I think it’s silly that it’s supposed to be Brahms.

And while I do think they intended for the Leah he mentions to Picard to be the Leah Brahms we know, I also think it’s easy to imagine that his wife just coincidentally happens to also be called Leah.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

Prime Bret is mentioned in The Needs of the Many.

Looking up that title, it appears to be a novel published in 2010. So it might no longer be consistent with onscreen canon.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm unsure if this belongs under TNG or PIC. But since the question pertains more to the TNG finale "All Good Things," I decided on here.

So in "All Good Things," we see a future where Geordie is married with three kids. The wife is named Leah. The kids are named as Brett, Alandra and Sidney.

In "Star Trek: Picard," we meet Alandra and Sidney. I don't recall any mention of their mother or brother.

The website Memory Alpha claims that Leah from "All Good Things" was Dr. Leah Brahams. It also claims that Brett La Forge only existed in that timeline. Again, I can't find the proof. I don't recall any mention of Alanda and Sidney being Geordie's only children. But it's been a while since I watched the series.

So ....do we have any canon dialogue or evidence of Brett's existence or non-existence in the prime timeline, or Leah Brahms marrying Geordie in either of them?

Before Picard (The Show) the fiendish supposition was that Leah and the kids mentioned in "All Good Things..." were all (non-sentient) holograms... Now however those kids walking around like fleshies out in the open with Star Fleet commissions, kind of soils that speculation.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Was Bret supposed to be the youngest or the oldest?

• PICARD: What about the little ones, Brett, Alandra and er?
• LAFORGE: Sidney.
• PICARD: Sidney.
• LAFORGE: Well, they're not so little any more. Brett is applying to Starfleet Academy next year.

Picard mentioning him first, suggesting he's the firstborn, and Geordi gives his application plans as proof he's no longer little, which could suggest either, a) that he's the eldest and about to be the first to leave the nest, or that b) even he, the baby of the family, is much older now.

 

[at Quark's]

But if this was supposed to depict the “actual” or likely future, I think it’s silly that it’s supposed to be Brahms.

I know some (happily married) couples where the woman initially rejected the man, multiple times even, so I wouldn't rule it out. Granted, it's been years since I saw the episodes in question so I don't quite recall how fiercely she rejected him.

If I have any qualms with it, it's that it suffers a bit from 'small universe syndrome'.

 

[Michael]

I know some (happily married) couples where the woman initially rejected the man, multiple times even, so I wouldn't rule it out. Granted, it's been years since I saw the episodes in question so I don't quite recall how fiercely she rejected him.

If I have any qualms with it, it's that it suffers a bit from 'small universe syndrome'.

Definitely, it can happen in the real world. I guess I just don’t like the thought of Geordi possibly being the reason Leah got divorced. But yeah, there could be a number of ways this played out.

Her rejection in “Galaxy’s Child” seemed pretty definitive to me and I didn’t sense any attraction, although in the end she at least seemed flattered and they definitely parted ways as friends.

 

[at Quark's]

I guess I just don’t like the thought of Geordi possibly being the reason Leah got divorced. But yeah, there could be a number of ways this played out.

Ah, I didn't remember that little factoid that she was married, all right. But yeah, could have played out in innocent ways, too. Quite possibly they divorced because their marriage hit rock bottom (nothing to do with Geordi) or the husband died (well, that's only innocent when assuming his death had nothing to do with Geordi ).

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ah, I didn't remember that little factoid that she was married, all right. But yeah, could have played out in innocent ways, too. Quite possibly they divorced because their marriage hit rock bottom (nothing to do with Geordi) or the husband died (well, that's only innocent when assuming his death had nothing to do with Geordi ).

It's not cheating if you are on another planet, or traveling through time.

Although they flashpointed themselves after First Contact, so who knows who was dead or alive or married or unmarried any more, now that everything was every so slightly minutely askew.

This could have been an impossible new timeline where Geordie did not come off as a sex predator when he first met Leah.

Stranger things have happened at sea.

 

[Moonglum]

I'm unsure if this belongs under TNG or PIC. But since the question pertains more to the TNG finale "All Good Things," I decided on here.

So in "All Good Things," we see a future where Geordie is married with three kids. The wife is named Leah. The kids are named as Brett, Alandra and Sidney.

In "Star Trek: Picard," we meet Alandra and Sidney. I don't recall any mention of their mother or brother.

The website Memory Alpha claims that Leah from "All Good Things" was Dr. Leah Brahams. It also claims that Brett La Forge only existed in that timeline. Again, I can't find the proof. I don't recall any mention of Alanda and Sidney being Geordie's only children. But it's been a while since I watched the series.

So ....do we have any canon dialogue or evidence of Brett's existence or non-existence in the prime timeline, or Leah Brahms marrying Geordie in either of them?

Once Jawdee got rid of his weird visor thingy and got normal looking ocular implants, Dr. Brahams was down to get funky. She was shallow that way. Brilliant physicist though!

 

[Kor]

I vaguely remember an exchange from a TNG comic or novel that took place some time after "Galaxy's Child," with Leah and Geordi working on another project or something together, and Geordi asks, "How's your husband?" Leah responds, "Still my husband, thanks."

But all this reminds me of the notion from Roddenberry's TMP novelization that in the future, human marriages are by nature temporary contracts.

Kor

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

I just hope Bret hasn't punched the La Forge family's ticket to the "Tragic Loss of a Child to the horrors of space" club, along with Deanna and Will.

 

[Qonundrum]

I always felt that TNG's finale had a future as molded and manipulated by Q as one of his latest and greatest tricks. But would it necessarily really be the actual future? (Clearly there are two kids, whose names match all but Brett's, but would the wife really be Leah? That made me think even more that Q was cooking up things more for Picard's benefit (assuming Geordi told his tale to him.))

Picard did say "I prefer to look on the future as something which is not written in stone. A lot of things can happen in twenty-five years." as well, so it wasn't just or necessarily the potential temporal tinkering by Q, assuming he was tinkering temporal events and not absolute conjuring up fluff out of thin air.

But Irumodic syndrome was carried over, however, though there's no reason that Q couldn't have concocted that up for a cheap thrill too.

That said, for character anchoring, why not hook into that TNG finale either way?

Or there's more than one Leah Brahms on Earth and Geordi hit the jackpot in the future, to regale his Leah with tales of "the other Leah"?

 

[Aspot]

..or, it may be a popular name for girl babies of that generation, like Jessica and Emma have been in our recent past. Geordi had to be given a future and we were all rooting for him to find love, so... I suspect the writers plopped in the name - in that one single line, referring to her culinary skills - was intended as an in-joke and nothing more. No inquiry after her illustrious career? The children mentioned in that scene may not have had any significance at the time, but somebody recalled the names when writing a sequel.

Very often, in tv scripts, a character appears as the central figure in an episode, just the once, and is never mentioned again. Relations or friends of main characters may be mentioned once and play no part in the story.
This kind of disregard for consistency is so common as to have kept me fuming for decades.

 

[CoveTom]

I just don't care for the idea that Geordi had a creepy holodeck fantasy romance with a recreation of a real person that she then felt outraged and violated by, but then she left her husband and she and Geordi got married. That makes it seem like what Geordi did on the holodeck was okay, when it really wasn't.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I just don't care for the idea that Geordi had a creepy holodeck fantasy romance with a recreation of a real person that she then felt outraged and violated by, but then she left her husband and she and Geordi got married. That makes it seem like what Geordi did on the holodeck was okay, when it really wasn't.

To be fair, you could read it as Geordie only "getting the girl" after he learned to stop acting like a creep. It might also work into Earth as a utopia, where breaches of privacy are only that, because no one is concerned about abuse or predators anymore.

That said, I agree that it's kind of icky.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe Bret is his own man and not looking for daddy's approval? He's not the loyal assistant or the copycat.

 

[E-DUB]

Geordi's wife isn't named Leah, but he's accidentally called her that a couple of times.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Geordi's wife isn't named Leah, but he's accidentally called her that a couple of times.

Awkward.