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Galactic Barrier

Perhaps the barrier was artificially created to protect a sector of space from invasion From Andromeda but it didn't work and was distorted.
I'm thinking that it was supposed to keep the Kelvans out but it didn't work properly enough (they survived) and that it didn't extend to the point where they left the galaxy in the Truth episode.
 
I've already put down the fact that Starfleet modified the shields for any further expeditions into the barrier a few months back! That's how Miranda was protected from it's deadly influences perhaps, or it could be from rapport with Kolos, the Medusan ambassador!
JB
 
That's close to my thinking, that after WNMHGB, Spock devised a shield modification that prevented the Barrier from affecting human brains and damaging the warp engines. He found the hole and he patched it, and then all Starfleet ships got the upgrade on the second Tuesday of the following month.

My problem with that one is that the Barrier shredded the mighty Kelvan vessel. It really shouldn't be within the powers of mere Feds to make themselves immune to the Barrier, by patching a hole in their inferior defenses.

In "BAON", the issue of protecting against the Barrier never arises. Different players would have different approaches there:

- Spock and the rest of the crew expect and hope to die at the Barrier, in a surprise scuttling of the ship. Protecting is the thing they want the very least! Also, they certainly don't want to remind the Kelvans of the risks.
- Kirk does not intend to die (like, ever), and certainly does not believe in suicide. Also, he is making the right choice once again - the Kelvans have already preempted the sabotage while the cabalists speak. But possibly Kirk still secretly hopes that the Barrier will again do harm to the Kelvans?
- The Kelvans are oddly unconcerned with the potential for harm. One might assume they have devised a remedy, then. They survived the first time around "with great difficulty" - perhaps they learned all they needed from it, and now can do the same again, only with markedly less difficulty? But they do specifically depend on our heroes doing the penetrating: otherwise, Kirk and pals would be turned into multifaceted characters much earlier on. So which party did the learning?

Could be both the Barriers, Galactic and Great, are only harmful at certain times, misleading the heroes into thinking that they are impenetrable. Perhaps safe passage is more common than destruction. Perhaps it's vice versa, and the heroes just get very lucky four times out of six at the Galactic Barrier, and Sybok once at the Great one. Might also be there's an imbalance there in that getting in is much riskier than getting out (that is, the Barriers might be there for a reason!) and the heroes thus face destruction only thrice in their adventures, not six times, and get lucky just twice.

Timo Saloniemi
 
...Which I guess is a good thing. The whole premise of starfaring in Trek is that course is chosen on basis of where one wants to get, not on how fast one wants to get there; speed is given as a separate parameter ("Warp factor four, Ensign Interchangeable Helmsperson!"). If we were given reason to think that there existed express lanes, then it would be absolutely mandatory for the dialogue to center on the finding of the lanes.

That is, an episode or two might skip the finding, just like an episode or two of Stargate skipped the exciting dialing sequence. But there would exist no command of "Warp factor four!", and there would be a staple phrase of "Scan for the nearest onramp, Ensign IH!" instead.

Minor advantages from avoiding tar pits are fine (we know that tar pits, "subspace sandbars" and whatnot exist). Major advantages from rare shortcuts are fine (the heroes are appropriately shocked and awed by such shortcuts in Trek so far). It's just that in between, there cannot exist an express lane system that would form the basis of everyday navigation by virtue of actually making a difference, that is, by being markedly faster than travel outside the lanes.

But going to the Galactic Barrier via a shortcut is actually fine! After all, two vessels from Earth reached the Barrier at the exact same spot without any knowledge of the other: Kirk somehow ended up within beacon range of the recorder marker of the Valiant. This rather heavily suggests that there is only one way to skin that particular cat: a vastly preferable route leads from Earth to this spot. And it merely being the beeline from Earth to the spot doesn't cut it, not unless there's something special about the very spot. But a fast lane leading there would nicely make the spot special.

It's just that if the shortcut gave both these ships the speed required to reach the Barrier, then Kirk would not be justified in his amazement: it would be expected instead of "Impossible!" for random rustbuckets from Earth to end up right there. So a direct wormhole isn't really our preferred option here. Instead, we could give the Valiant a boost via that "magnetic storm" she encountered, and then deny Kirk that boost. But we'd have to come up with a different rationale for both ships accessing the very same bit of the Barrier then.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Why is the barrier shown as a ring? Okay, it's a very big ring and they can fly around it and in that process add anywhere between a day and a decade to their journey and not fry their computer systems in the process... okay, being a natural construct, however the barrier formed would be not unlike the asteroid belt in our solar system - just a teensy bit bigger.

Also, STV TFF also has a great barrier - this one's at the galaxy's chewy nougat center. Was this shiny new barrier originally supposed to be the same one as the original but a script rewrite changed things up a bit?
 
Since the Barrier isn't "actually" there (all indications of it being there are "negative" according to Spock, even though some of that is later perverted into the Barrier having "negative energy"), it probably isn't a purple belt directly ahead of the ship, either. It just looks like one - and would look like one regardless of where the ship's bow was pointed and how the ship was tilted.

Timo Saloniemi
 
But going to the Galactic Barrier via a shortcut is actually fine! After all, two vessels from Earth reached the Barrier at the exact same spot without any knowledge of the other: Kirk somehow ended up within beacon range of the recorder marker of the Valiant.
nowhere in the episode they say they are in the same exact spot. They are probably in the same area, as they have been tracking the valiant’s transmitter, but likely not in the same spot. Also, delta Vega is obviously quite close to the barrier, so it makes sense for two ships to get there by passing the nearest habitable planet.

Why is the barrier shown as a ring? Okay, it's a very big ring and they can fly around it and in that process add anywhere between a day and a decade to their journey and not fry their computer systems in the process... okay, being a natural construct, however the barrier formed would be not unlike the asteroid belt in our solar system - just a teensy bit bigger.
Well, keep in mind that the barrier does not register on sensors at all, perhaps we only see a ring because after a certain distance the (inexplicable) visible effect no longer happen.

Also, STV TFF also has a great barrier - this one's at the galaxy's chewy nougat center. Was this shiny new barrier originally supposed to be the same one as the original but a script rewrite changed things up a bit?
i don’t think it was.
 
I tried to look for a galactic version of bowshock in the real world. It's a real phenomenon for entire solar systems. It sounds conveivable for a galaxy, too.
Basically, it's the point in space where the galactic influence would end and intergalactic radiation pushes against outgoing radiation. as far as I understand it.
I couldn't find something for the Milky Way, but it has been observed for other galaxies.

https://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2002/0066/
 
nowhere in the episode they say they are in the same exact spot. They are probably in the same area, as they have been tracking the valiant’s transmitter, but likely not in the same spot.

Area, spot, the same thing. If we imagine the Milky Way to be a disk 100,000 ly across, there are 314,159 lightyears of rim to choose from. If Kirk can scan a generous fifteen lightyears to one side (which is par for the course for 24th century ships), then the odds of him being where he is are a bit below 1:10,000.

Something very specific must have guided Kirk to where the Valiant's recorder marker noises could be heard.

Also, Delta Vega is obviously quite close to the barrier, so it makes sense for two ships to get there by passing the nearest habitable planet.

Now this is more like it. But if there's an outpost there, it again becomes impossible for the Valiant feat to be "Impossible!".

If we draw a cone from Earth to the rim of our imaginary Milky Way disk, to mark an approximate beeline to the nearest part of the rim, the cone is still likely to be a thousand lightyears wide at the rim, touching upon dozens of habitable planets; odds of two skippers steering towards the same one are again low, but no longer quite 1:10,000. However, the story doesn't allow for the Valiant to actually steer.

At the beginning of the episode, Kirk dictates a log where he indicates he knows everything about the Valiant - save for the fact of how she ended up where Kirk now is. So the one thing explicitly ruled out is that the Valiant would have been on a mission to the Galactic Barrier! We must begin from the assumption that outside forces led the old ship to this location. Since Spock only gets bits and pieces out of the logs, there's room for speculation.

1) The magnetic storm was a magic carpet ride from a near-Earth location to this very spot, explaining how the old ship could get that far, but also why she would end up here in particular, against her will. But Kirk didn't ride any storms on his way there, so him ending up on the same spot is unexplained.

2) What the ignorant skipper of the Valiant considered a magnetic storm is merely a regular warp highway, and Kirk indeed used that to get to this particular spot. But Kirk makes no reference to riding a warp highway, either - and if riding one were trivial and expected, Kirk again should not be allowed to be amazed by the Valiant doing the same.

3) An outside force of some other sort led the ship here. We hear of no hijacking of the outbound Valiant or Enterprise - but on the inbound leg, there were demigods aboard on both. Perhaps the ones aboard the Valiant selected this particular spot for the return through the barrier, possibly because they knew the Enterprise would be there 200 years later (omniscience is a plausible ability for them, even though not explicated) and intended to benefit from that somehow?

4) There is something really, really interesting about this spot, even though it goes unmentioned in favor of all the surprises. What could it be? Delta Vega isn't it - that place pops up as a mere afterthought. But we can postulate a local landmark that would have lured in both an intrepid explorer like Kirk and a distressed castaway like the Valiant's Tarasco. Possibly there's a local weak spot in the barrier there (perhaps manifesting as this purple haze, thus explaining why Kirk steers into that rather than past it)?

What our two sets of characters would know about that barrier is unestablished. The events allow for us to think that Kirk expected to find it right there, or that Kirk was surprised by its existence. The dialogue rather favors the former interpretation, though, since we get zero expressions of surprise; thus, Kirk might indeed have been told by Starfleet that the Barrier has a Hole at this specific location, as observed from afar.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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I think that the simplest explanation is that the valiant was on mission near Delta Vega (perhaps the mission even included prospecting the planet with an idea of establishing a future outpost!) when the storm hit and brought her towards the barrier. This way it stands to reason for the recorder to be still around that spot and for the enterprise to end up in the same general area.
 
The big problem with this is that it would make it absolutely mundane for 200-year-old ships to frequent the area, whereas Kirk thinks this should be impossible. "Did another ship once try poke through the big bad purple fence?" is not even a valid rhetorical question: if ships can get as far as Delta Vega, ships assuredly will also try and tackle this challenge, what with human nature and all.

The other aspect to this problem is that Kirk knows all about the ship when dictating his log: he has clearly looked up the relevant file, and can quote the date of disappearance and all. If the ship disappeared from Delta Vega, all mystery of her presence at that spot evaporates.

We're better off IMHO assuming that Delta Vega was established only later on. But even then we have to rationalize somehow why the construction crew didn't go visit the outside of the galaxy after a Friday night of heavy drinking.

(My bet there is that Delta Vega is part of Project Vega, a chain of logistics support stations to boost a starship to the farthest frontier and beyond - basically the Delta Camp for these mountaineers or antarctic explorers, and the farthest anybody can get even with the resources of Alpha Vega, Beta Vega and Gamma Vega. The construction workers would have gone home because Kirk was coming next Tuesday and had dibs on the great achievement, the final push across the last not-particularly-challenging lightdays and then the big penetration which indeed called for full support. Indeed, Kirk would have been dead without the Vega Chain...)

Timo Saloniemi
 
The big problem with this is that it would make it absolutely mundane for 200-year-old ships to frequent the area, whereas Kirk thinks this should be impossible.
depends on how far the barrier is from delta vega.

We're better off IMHO assuming that Delta Vega was established only later on. But even then we have to rationalize somehow why the construction crew didn't go visit the outside of the galaxy after a Friday night of heavy drinking.
perhaps the valiant was just exploring the Delta Vega area and wasn’t equipped to go further.

My bet there is that Delta Vega is part of Project Vega, a chain of logistics support stations to boost a starship to the farthest frontier and beyond - basically the Delta Camp for these mountaineers or antarctic explorers, and the farthest anybody can get even with the resources of Alpha Vega, Beta Vega and Gamma Vega.
sounds good for me!
 
The Kelvan vessel was a scout ship rather than a Starship! That is the reasoning behind the Kelvan ship being destroyed and the Enterprise surviving the Barrier! Plus the Kelvans were only to arrive, scout about and see if this galaxy was suitable for their empire to colonise!
JB
 
depends on how far the barrier is from delta vega.

It does, yes. And it seems that once the Barrier spat out the Enterprise in "WNMHGB", she remained at sublight all the way to Delta Vega. That is, if she did attempt to go to warp, she'd have blown up, like Gary pointed out.

So Spock's "Delta Vega is a couple of light days from here" really means "Delta Vega is a couple of light days from the Barrier"... A true Last Chance Saloon there, curiously equipped for accommodation even if automated.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Does the ship dip into the barrier and emerge from the same direction in WNMHGB? I'm assuming it's only BAON that they cross straight through and out the other side?
 
We get no confirmation of penetration in "WNMHGB". We assuredly get one out and one implicit back-in in "BAON". We also get one explicit back-in so one implicit out in "ITITNB". And then we have to wonder about TAS "Beyond the Farthest Star" where our heroes are on a course "beyond the fringe of our galaxy" but might not have crossed any fringes yet when we join the action.

TNG "Where No One" also involves getting out of the galaxy, but whether this in turn involved going through the Barrier or somehow skipping that part altogether is less clear.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I tried to look for a galactic version of bowshock in the real world. It's a real phenomenon for entire solar systems. It sounds conveivable for a galaxy, too.
Basically, it's the point in space where the galactic influence would end and intergalactic radiation pushes against outgoing radiation. as far as I understand it.
I couldn't find something for the Milky Way, but it has been observed for other galaxies.

https://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2002/0066/
Technobabble: I've heard that the Milky Way (or its super massive black hole) might have a magnetic field that extends past the edge of the galaxy similar to Earth's magnetic field. If our magnetic field(s) can trap solar radiation and particles (Van Allen Radiation belt) producing color (northern lights), maybe the galaxy does something similar but in this case, it traps (and concentrates) dark matter/energy falling back into the galaxy from deep space to produce the barrier and its purple-pink color. Its visual color is not apparent until you get very close to it. It could even confuse sensors as seen in WNMHGB. A shell or ring of dark matter might also explain the mystery that the outer stars are moving too fast suggesting the pull of unseen matter (gravity) outside the galaxy.
 
I found the idea of the barrier only being a finite ribbon at the galxy edge rather dumb. It should really have been a sphere encompassing the galaxy to be unavoidable. Avoiding it as is would be as simple as going over or under it.

That's how it's depicted in Star Trek Continues.

Perhaps no humans with high Esper ratings continued to serve on Starships?
Miranda Jones may have been protected by her contact with the Medusan?

Or being Styrofoam, if she was even aboard at the time.

According to the Q Continuum and return of Kirk novels, both barriers were created by the Q to imprison "God" and protect the Milky Way from 2 separate cosmically powered beings.
 
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