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Earth as Naked Paradise

We've seen 23rd century Earth in both the prime universe and the Kelvin timeline and thankfully doesn't look anything like a nudist colony. For me personally, TNG's "Justice" is one of the most cringeworthy Star Trek episodes ever. Although, I have to agree with many, that violence is a lot worse than nudity.
 
I wouldn't watch it and it has nothing to do with puritanical ideals or religion. If there happens to be a nude scene in a show or movie I'm watching I don't go ballistic but I just happen to think people look better wearing clothes.
But in case you are wondering, I don't like graphic violence either.
Right, gratuitous nudity is really annoying. I wouldn't object to spa or swimming scenes with the characters nude, suggesting a more "european" approach.

We've seen 23rd century Earth in both the prime universe and the Kelvin timeline and thankfully doesn't look anything like a nudist colony. For me personally, TNG's "Justice" is one of the most cringeworthy Star Trek episodes ever. Although, I have to agree with many, that violence is a lot worse than nudity.
Trek violence is pretty tame. Blood is rarely seen (except in the movies), hand to hand combat is quite laughable, and phasers just stun or kill with little effort.
 
Right, gratuitous nudity is really annoying. I wouldn't object to spa or swimming scenes with the characters nude, suggesting a more "european" approach.
Sense8 does this pretty well, it's even specifically discussed as a difference between two cultures (in this case Germany and India).
 
If we're going to see the nudist parks, then we'd better see families there with their pet tigers.

We're also long overdue to see Love Instructors.
 
I wouldn't mind some completely bare humans. But if we have to be "careful" about it, then I wouldn't mind at least hinting at the idea. Maybe have an establishing shot with a number of people baring it all walking around. Or even some strategically placed skyclad humans in some places.

And we must have love instructors! Though, we don't need to see them practicing their profession.
 
I'd settle for a character tuning into a classic rock subspace radio channel and hearing the greatest hits from The Love Instructors.
 
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I really don't know why people are going on about Love Instuctors.

We already know Kirk isn't going to be in Discovery.....
 
In Gene Roddenberry's original treatment of Star Trek, he envisioned Earth as a nudist paradise at the seat of the Federation. When the studios nixed this idea with extreme prejudice for practicality and taste reasons, the idea was dropped. Since Discovery won't be airing on regular TV, and in fact is paygated behind a subscription service, do you think the networks might explore the possibility of reintroducing this concept?

I sincerely hope so. Let's not forget some of Trek's greatest alumni have wanted to head in this direction...

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I sincerely hope so. Let's not forget some of Trek's greatest alumni have wanted to head in this direction...

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This is hardly surprising - Star Trek made several nixed attempts at showing nekkidness. See 'Background Information' here: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Nudity.

Trivia: one of Gene's original TOS treatments-turned-unpublished novels had Kirk oil wrestling with naked women while himself wearing a metal thong. Also, Gene wrote an entire section for that scene about Kirk getting an uncomfortable erection. (source:
http://starfleetlibrary.blogspot.com/2010/01/more-about-god-thing.html?m=1)

So....Discovery has a gold mine of potential unused nudity plot lines ready to go if needed!
 
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I'd already be happy if sexual activity weren't again presented as indicative of a person being evil (see DS9 mirror universe). When writers figure that the easiest way to make viewers realize that people are evil is to show them as being very sexually active, said writers should seriously start question their puritanical attitudes.

I'm assuming Discovery will get us past that relic of 90s TV.
 
In Gene Roddenberry's original treatment of Star Trek, he envisioned Earth as a nudist paradise at the seat of the Federation. When the studios nixed this idea with extreme prejudice for practicality and taste reasons, the idea was dropped.

Trivia: one of Gene's original TOS treatments-turned-unpublished novels had Kirk oil wrestling with naked women while himself wearing a metal thong. Also, Gene wrote an entire section for that scene about Kirk getting an uncomfortable erection. (source: http://starfleetlibrary.blogspot.com/2010/01/more-about-god-thing.html?m=1)

Sounds like Gene had some overloads in the positronic links of his brain. Also, since ther wasn't a weather modification network back then, I'm sure the inhabitants of planet earth would reconsider this premise with the arrival of winter...
 
And we must have love instructors! Though, we don't need to see them practicing their profession.
Oh, I don't know. Maybe a scene at the nudist park, amongst all the nude families playing with their pet tigers maybe have an outdoor Love Instruction seminar or something. The Love Instructor is on a stage, demonstrating to a class all the various positions and styles, and the class is emulating what he/she is telling them. We don't need to focus on it or anything, just show a tiger run by it on his way to catch a Frisbee or something.
 
heavily doubt it would ever go in that direction given that its supposed to be within the canon at large, but I could see an entire country or even continent where that may be the norm, or even a colonist planet.
 
I'd already be happy if sexual activity weren't again presented as indicative of a person being evil (see DS9 mirror universe). When writers figure that the easiest way to make viewers realize that people are evil is to show them as being very sexually active, said writers should seriously start question their puritanical attitudes.

I'm assuming Discovery will get us past that relic of 90s TV.
Particularly homosexual activity. I hated how evil mirror Ezri and Kira kissing is fine, but there would never be any indication of their real counterparts doing so.

Not that Kira would cheat on Odo though...
 
I just want to see future humans wear stylish clothes. And not the sorry TNZ-DS9 excuse for future fashion that was colored tights and ugly patterns.
People in Star Trek: Beyond looked stylish, I liked that!
Loathe him though I do, I have to admit that some of Riker's off-duty clothes were kind of snazzy. I mean, they were snazzy *pajamas*, but they were snazzy.

I'd already be happy if sexual activity weren't again presented as indicative of a person being evil (see DS9 mirror universe). When writers figure that the easiest way to make viewers realize that people are evil is to show them as being very sexually active, said writers should seriously start question their puritanical attitudes.
Maybe that *was* what they were doing - but I took it as indicating that the Intendant was evil because she had sex slaves, and didn't seem to particularly care whether her advances were welcome even with others outside of them.
Particularly homosexual activity. I hated how evil mirror Ezri and Kira kissing is fine, but there would never be any indication of their real counterparts doing so.
I think you might be forgetting Jadzia and Lenara Kahn? Their relationship was forbidden, but, there was no indication that I can recall that anyone thought it was verboten or that they were evil because they were both the same gender - just the Trill taboo on reconnecting with relationships from previous lives.
Agreed, but I think RAMA meant they were acceptable by the standards of social mores - not the standards of FASHION. :lol:
 
I think you might be forgetting Jadzia and Lenara Kahn? Their relationship was forbidden, but, there was no indication that I can recall that anyone thought it was verboten or that they were evil because they were both the same gender - just the Trill taboo on reconnecting with relationships from previous lives.

Not really forgetting, so much as kind of in the same boat. Both lesbian kisses in DS9 were considered "acceptable" because they were depicted as being alien. That and considering how shameful Kahn felt after Star Trek's first lesbian kiss, the episode might as well have had a flashing sign saying "look how wrong this is"* just the same as mirror Ezri and Kira...

*The episode's words, not mine.
 
considering how shameful Kahn felt after Star Trek's first lesbian kiss, the episode might as well have had a flashing sign saying "look how wrong this is"*

But as Triumphant said, it wasn't wrong because they were women. It was wrong because it broke Trill law about relationships from past hosts.
 
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