It's more the selective outrage and that the EU is better when it does the exact same thing yet we don't get the memes.
Dune [Part 3] Messiah 2027 (28, 29, 30...)
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Poe: "What I'm about to say is going to be hard to believe; Palpatine is alive."
Rose: "But how?"
Poe: "That we don't know yet, but the information our spy in the FIrst Order got to us is very clear about this. The Emperor lives."
Beaumont: "He's a Sith. There have been all kinds of legends about the things they were capable of."
Ackbar: "Right now, it doesn't matter how Palpatine survived, only that he has."
Poe: "That's right, time is of the essence. He and his followers have been building a fleet the size of which we have not seen before, hidden on a world called Exegol, in the Unknown Regions, and he plans to deploy that fleet against the free worlds in sixteen hours."
There. Could probably still be improved by a lot, I only started thinking about it a half hour ago, but it's already better than what they had in the movie. It acknowledges the incredibility of the fact, it is about Palpatine being alive rather than having returned, and it better sells the urgency.
Aren't those the same thing?
So does Poe's dialogue in the film and Rose's reaction.
So is "Only a Sith deals in Absolutes" or whatever Obi-Wan said in ROTS...which doesn't get ripped into as much.
And that Obi-Wan statement is a absolute.
Irulan does defy the Bene Gesserit to some extent. Mohiam's original preference was for Irulan to cause Chani to miscarry. Instead, Irulan opted to prevent Chani from becoming pregnant in the first place (a plan that eventually backfires).
Wasn't that Jessica in the books?
Mohiam herself states that Jessica was her "greatest student."
Irulan is just the royal student she taught and trained, since it was always intended that Shaddam's eldest daughter would rule. That's why Shaddam wife was Bene Gesserit, and ordered never to have sons.
Are theatres so comfortable now that you'd go there to take a nap? That novel has just a few scenes where any action happens, and the rest is Emperor Leto II's Grand Self-Pity Party in which he rambled on and on and on about what a self-sacrificing martyr he is for the human race, and does anyone appreciate it? NooOOOOOoooo.
And it seems he wasn't supposed to reveal this spoiler even if it's from a several decades old book.
Kinda like the rules here - spoiler period over but still a dick move sometimes to spoil something big for people who haven't seen/read it yet
I have no intention of tippy-toeing around spoilers for books that have been available to be read since 1985 (when Chapterhouse was published).
Don't want spoilers? Either scroll past my posts or read the books.
He wrote parts of the first three books concurrently.
Paul's story concludes in Children of Dune. Stopping at the end of Messiah resolves nothing, as it leaves off with two newborn royal twins, and teenage Alia left as regent for them.
Lolwut. Telling Messiah from the pov of child-Leto would be ridiculous, even if the showrunner were to claim that it makes sense because the twins are Pre-Born (adult consciousness while still in-utero, due to the overdose of melange Chani takes).
Lots of science fiction is inspired by the classics. Someone pointed out Forbidden Planet and The Tempest.
Anyone here read Ben Bova? His novel Mercury is based on The Count of Monte Cristo.
Omnius and Erasmus will probably show up, and someone will devise a new crochet pattern for the doilies the BG wear on their heads.
In a spoiler thread that's clearly marked as such no problem. In an interview however a completely different thing as there's tons of people in the world who have only seen the movies, for them it's a big spoiler.
Ages ago a friend during casual conversation in a chatroom spoiled Dumbledore's fate to a friend of mine. I have never seen her that mad and if it had happened in real life face to face he might have gotten slapped also because of his cavalier attitude towards it when he came off as not caring one bit if he spoiled it for others.
How many years passed between the book and the movie? I honestly have no idea, because I did HP fandom in reverse order. First came the movies, then the fanfiction, then a bunch of YT videos that explain the differences between the books and movies, and then I finally got around to reading the books. I was plenty spoiled by that time, and all I cared about was "thank goodness someone's explaining this, because I am so damned confused!"
Do spoilers matter so much in a movie series where the director has demonstrated that he neither understands the source material nor plans to keep his word about being faithful to the source material? The Easter Bunny could turn up in the next one and Villeneuve would insist that FH didn't say there weren't any Easter Bunnies on Arrakis, so there's no problem, right?
Now if you want to talk about forum rules regarding spoilers, I can point to the Handmaid's Tale thread where someone happily spoiled a bunch of episodes that all dropped the same night, not giving a crap that some of us don't live in his time zone, and that (at that time) Canadians didn't get to see them on the same day anyway. We were always behind.
In the Survivor/Amazing Race/Big Brother threads I post, it's agreed that we don't reveal the identity of who was voted out/eliminated/evicted within the first 24 hours, given that we're not all in the same time zone and we may not have the same source for these shows.
But novels that were published years before many of the people on this forum were even born? That's ridiculous, particularly when the director has done the Arrakeen equivalent of taking a left turn at Albuquerque.
I ment adult Leto because we were talking about Robert Pattinson's rumored casting. Be a bit more of a grownup instead of using Lolwut terms. And don't explain Pre-born to me as if I've never read the books.
Leto as an adult, half in between his transformation, could be a great framing device for telling the story of Paul.
You see that you are contradicting yourself in a single posting?
You didn't care about being spoiled by something you have no big investment in, i.e. Harry Potter and then turn around and state that it bothered you/would bother you/you have an agreement against spoiling for something you're invested in. It doesn't matter if it's 24 hours or 24 years, some people don't want to be casually or inconsiderately spoiled for something they care about. What about people who can't watch within 24 hours or if you were not able to keep up with the schedule and had to watch later and someone just blurts out a spoiler?
If it happens by accident then that's bad luck, double more so if you are roaming around the Internet and reading up on something you like but have not fully read(/seen yet - that is at your own peril.
But to come along and say spoilers don't matter for things you don't regard as important or are that old that it's your bad luck but get annoyed/pissy when it's something closer to you is just wrong. That may get you slapped in the face as nearly happened in my anecdote above.
If i'm outside dedicated spoiler space like this thread i feel out the person first or outright ask if they're ok with spoilers or i simply avoid them when discussing something - it's that easy to be considerate.
Sorry, did someone die and make you a moderator?
I will use whatever vocabulary it pleases me to use, unless it happens to be forbidden, which that word isn't.
I have no idea who Robert Pattinson is. If he's someone famous, sorry, but I never heard of him.
Leto II never actually became an adult, other than in his consciousness. His body went from 9-year-old human to sandworm. No teen years, no adult years. He never experienced the normal transitions that Paul did, so he didn't actually realize just how much of being human he would have to give up. Paul, on the other hand, was very much aware of that, and was unable to go through with it.
Why should Leto be needed to tell Paul's story, as though Paul himself isn't needed? Good grief, the final part of Children of Dune was intense, and very well done, both in the novel and in the 2003 miniseries (I give the production team a pass for casting older actors as the twins, because there's no way that 9-year-old actors could have pulled this off). Apparently Timothee Chalomet is the greatest thing since sliced banana bread, so why not have him present when dealing with the entirety of Paul's life?
WHOOSH!
There went the point sailing right overhead.
There are spoiler rules on the forum regarding TV shows and novels. Blurting out spoilers for a show before people in another time zone have had a chance to see it that very same day is in obvious violation of those rules.
If I'm not able to watch Survivor/TAR/BB within 24 hours and someone posts a spoiler after that time has passed, it's my responsibility to avoid the thread until I have been able to watch it, if I don't want to risk spoilers. Or if people have posted spoilers and used the appropriate tags, I should just not click on that if I still haven't seen the episode.
Show me the forum rule that says spoilers can't be posted for a novel that was published SIXTY YEARS ago. By your reasoning, no details can be posted about any novel, in case someone on the forum hasn't read it yet. I occasionally wander over to the TrekLit forum where there are discussions of novels I haven't read that were published 20 years ago. I don't scream at people for discussing them; after all, by their reckoning, I've had ample time to read them. The fact that I haven't had ample funds to buy them isn't the fault of anyone on this forum.
The spoiler in question is from a book released in 1969.
I just keep telling myself, there's no way he can weasel out of giving us a Guild Navigator in Messiah, right? Right?
Your point? The most recent Dune novel by Frank Herbert was published in 1985. That's 40 years ago, give or take whatever month. If Chapterhouse is nowhere near the forum's limit for novels, then Messiah is certainly nowhere near it.
It's bizarre how people complain that they couldn't get into Dune because they didn't understand it (read the Appendices; they're there for a reason). But these same people say they don't like Messiah because it's "boring."
Messiah is mostly court intrigue and deals with a plot to bring down the Atreides family. What's the problem - not enough violence? Too much stealth and plans within plans?
I agree that there has to be a Guild Navigator in any Messiah movie. After all, Edric is right there in the novel, and Villeneuve pretends he's faithful to the novels. He'd have a tough time coming up with a reasonable excuse for not having Edric in a Dune Messiah movie.
And you fail to grasp the basic concept of consideration and maybe kindness towards others.
You ignored my point that said it's ok when you are in a clearly marked spoiler area such as this, enter at your own risk or as you say when you enter a discussion about a book or anything without having read/seen it in a dedicated area of a forum or somewhere else like a panel discussion at a convention.
What i am saying though that outside these areas it is simply rude to just blurt out stuff without having the slightest thought if it would affect others. If a conversation ends up in possible spoiler territory when it started about something completely else would you still spoil it for the person you talk to because it's been decades since the material was released or will you hold back and at least ask if that person is ok with spoilers?
If you wish to be taken serious like an adult, act like one. Otherwise, I am done wasting my time on a teenager.
To the mods, I am aware such behavior on my part is most likely against forum rules, and I do apologize. But really, the last few pages here went nowhere because of such childish posting.
Yeah..... Same dude.
I'm not.
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