Dune [Part 3] Messiah 2027 (28, 29, 30...)

[David cgc]

??Lawrence of Arabia was a biopic. The story of Dune was inspired by T.E. Lawrence. Herbert had already been working on the novel for years by the time the Lawrence of Arabia movie was released.

"Okay, maybe Frank Herbert did steal T.E. Lawerence's life. So what? Science fiction is built on plagiarism! If it weren't for someone plagiarizing Starship Troopers, we wouldn't have Aliens. If someone hadn't ripped off Forbidden Planet, there'd be no Star Trek! Star Wars, Firefly, The Expanse? Ha! Flash Gordon, Blake's Seven, Babylon 5! Your Honor, you take away our right to steal ideas, where are they gonna come from? Him?"

Points at J.J. Abrams

"How about... 'Somehow, Palpatine returned'?"

Based on a meme collectively riffed upon by "Mostly From Sugar Packets: Simpsons Historyposting"

 

[Anwar]

I love how folks keep ripping on "Somehow, Palpatine returned" but ignore that Poe brings up all the various possibilities of how he did that RIGHT AFTER.

And that their precious EU did literally the same thing.

 

[Set Harth]

Yes, even that was stolen.

Poe brings up all the various possibilities of how he did that RIGHT AFTER.

It wasn't Poe, it was Beaumont Kin, Dominic Monaghan's character. And it wasn't various possibilities, it was all the same thing.

 

[Anwar]

Yes, even that was stolen.


It wasn't Poe, it was Beaumont Kin, Dominic Monaghan's character. And it wasn't various possibilities, it was all the same thing.

Yes, and "somehow" when the EU did it the "fans" didn't complain nearly as hard.

 

[Mudd]

"Okay, maybe Frank Herbert did steal T.E. Lawerence's life. So what? Science fiction is built on plagiarism! If it weren't for someone plagiarizing Starship Troopers, we wouldn't have Aliens. If someone hadn't ripped off Forbidden Planet, there'd be no Star Trek! Star Wars, Firefly, The Expanse? Ha! Flash Gordon, Blake's Seven, Babylon 5! Your Honor, you take away our right to steal ideas, where are they gonna come from? Him?"

Points at J.J. Abrams

"How about... 'Somehow, Palpatine returned'?"

Based on a meme collectively riffed upon by "Mostly From Sugar Packets: Simpsons Historyposting"

It's pretty true that the strain of science fiction that emerged from pulp periodicals and paperbacks in the first half of last century - what most people just call "science fiction" when they're not being pedantic - blossomed in a soil of open-sourced, casually appropriated plots and tropes. Most of that was, in turn, swiped from other popular genres.

Roddenberry invoking Hornblower was, I suspect, a studied choice not to acknowledge Forbidden Planet or A. Bertram Chandler.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, and "somehow" when the EU did it the "fans" didn't complain nearly as hard.

It's fun to have selective outrage.

 

[saddestmoon]

Curveball......

The movie is told from the perspective of Paul's son, Leto.

I like your curveball! That would be a great move, IMO.

Especially if, subsequent movies do not touch on GEoD directly - introducing Leto II into the Messiah / Children movie as narrator / perspective - would be incredible!

In my mind, to fully play out Paul’s path, Leto II has to be introduced and explored to fruition - for the full meaning and weight of Paul’s / Leto II’s choices to be realised.

I don’t have prescience, but I’m imagining the possibilities… lol!

 

[Daddy Todd]

Roddenberry invoking Hornblower was, I suspect, a studied choice not to acknowledge Forbidden Planet or A. Bertram Chandler.

I thought I was possibly the last fan in the world to remember Chandler. Decades ago (OK, maybe 3) I hand-built a website chronicling the career of Grimes... Ah, those were the days. When Dreamweaver was what the kewl kids were using to build websites.

 

[The Wormhole]

I love how folks keep ripping on "Somehow, Palpatine returned" but ignore that Poe brings up all the various possibilities of how he did that RIGHT AFTER.

And that their precious EU did literally the same thing.

People rip on "Somehow Palpatine returned" because it was a laughably poorly written line not because of how incredulous the idea of Palpatine returning was. Indeed, everyone knew Palpatine was going to be in the movie eight months before its release, and he'd already been in the movie's opening scene well before Poe uttered that now infamous line.

 

[Anwar]

People rip on "Somehow Palpatine returned" because it was a laughably poorly written line not because of how incredulous the idea of Palpatine returning was. Indeed, everyone knew Palpatine was going to be in the movie eight months before its release, and he'd already been in the movie's opening scene well before Poe uttered that now infamous line.

They ignored how RIGHT AFTER he said it, they started bringing up all the ways it could've happened.

So they weren't paying attention.

 

[fireproof78]

People were not just on about the line. It was how Palpatine returning somehow undid Anakin's work nonsense.

 

[Set Harth]

They ignored how RIGHT AFTER he said it, they started bringing up all the ways it could've happened.

It was one way.

 

[Starkers]

"Okay, maybe Frank Herbert did steal T.E. Lawerence's life. So what? Science fiction is built on plagiarism! If it weren't for someone plagiarizing Starship Troopers, we wouldn't have Aliens. If someone hadn't ripped off Forbidden Planet, there'd be no Star Trek! Star Wars, Firefly, The Expanse? Ha! Flash Gordon, Blake's Seven, Babylon 5! Your Honor, you take away our right to steal ideas, where are they gonna come from? Him?"

Points at J.J. Abrams

"How about... 'Somehow, Palpatine returned'?"

Based on a meme collectively riffed upon by "Mostly From Sugar Packets: Simpsons Historyposting"

And of course if Forbidden Planet hadn't ripped off Shakespeare...

 

[Anwar]

People were not just on about the line. It was how Palpatine returning somehow undid Anakin's work nonsense.

Star Wars needs the Sith/Darksiders to work, they're the main enemy of SW. Lucas' whole Prophecy stuff would've crippled the series if they held to it.

 

[FPAlpha]

I like your curveball! That would be a great move, IMO.

Especially if, subsequent movies do not touch on GEoD directly - introducing Leto II into the Messiah / Children movie as narrator / perspective - would be incredible!

In my mind, to fully play out Paul’s path, Leto II has to be introduced and explored to fruition - for the full meaning and weight of Paul’s / Leto II’s choices to be realised.

I don’t have prescience, but I’m imagining the possibilities… lol!

Would be a nice way to do it though a bit thematically too distinct from the style of the two previous movies.

What i wonder is how Villeneuve plans to expand on Paul's visions and the whole supernatural aspect of his movies. He toned that down to the bare minimum, most likely as to not overwhelm the general audience with it but it makes it harder to truly explain or rather show why Paul became practically a mass murderer.

The whole Golden Path concept has not been touched yet, Alia is there and teased in adult form and we don't know yet if she will get mad through the mind influence of Baron Harkonnen via her genetic memory and then there's Villeneuve's story departure when he changed Chani's story.

All considered i am really curious how the third movie will play out.

 

[Set Harth]

He toned that down to the bare minimum

Sort of... but then he also made Jamis into kind of a spirit guide for Paul.

 

[The Wormhole]

They ignored how RIGHT AFTER he said it, they started bringing up all the ways it could've happened.

So they weren't paying attention.

And you missed my point. It doesn't matter about how or why it happened. Palpatine's back. We get it, obviously some manner of cloning for Force muckery is about. Doesn't change the fact that the line "somehow Palpatine returned" is a horribly written line, a first draft placeholder which made it all the way to the finished product. And no, the fact that theories as to how Palpatine might have returned are expressed immediately after the line is spoken doesn't change that at all.

And besides, "somehow Palpatine returned" is an internet meme. You do know internet memes are always dialogue and other content taken out of context and played up for comedic purposes, right? That's what memes are all about, which makes the fact that theories are conjectured right after Poe says the line even more irrelevant to the point.

 

[Starkers]

And you missed my point. It doesn't matter about how or why it happened. Palpatine's back. We get it, obviously some manner of cloning for Force muckery is about. Doesn't change the fact that the line "somehow Palpatine returned" is a horribly written line, a first draft placeholder which made it all the way to the finished product. And no, the fact that theories as to how Palpatine might have returned are expressed immediately after the line is spoken doesn't change that at all.

And besides, "somehow Palpatine returned" is an internet meme. You do know internet memes are always dialogue and other content taken out of context and played up for comedic purposes, right? That's what memes are all about, which makes the fact that theories are conjectured right after Poe says the line even more irrelevant to the point.

Screenwriter Guy: So I figured we should bring Palpatine back.

Producer Guy: Good idea, but how will you explain it given we saw him fall to his dead in Return of the Jedi?

Screenwriter Guy: Somehow Palpatine returned.

Producer Guy: That works

 

[Set Harth]

Doesn't change the fact that the line "somehow Palpatine returned" is a horribly written line, a first draft placeholder which made it all the way to the finished product.

Or it's the point of view of a Resistance muggle as opposed to the point of view of, say, a director or writer. Why would someone in Poe's position be expected to display omniscience?
And where do you get your apparent insider information about first drafts and alleged placeholders?

And besides, "somehow Palpatine returned" is an internet meme. You do know internet memes are always dialogue and other content taken out of context and played up for comedic purposes, right? That's what memes are all about, which makes the fact that theories are conjectured right after Poe says the line even more irrelevant to the point.

So... it's a horribly, laughably poorly written line, but also it was all a joke and anyone who took the complaint seriously just didn't get it? Make up your mind.

 

[The Wormhole]

And where do you get your apparent insider information about first drafts and alleged placeholders?

I'm not citing "insider information" I'm giving an opinion that the line comes off as a placeholder.

So... it's a horribly, laughably poorly written line, but also it was all a joke and anyone who took the complaint seriously just didn't get it? Make up your mind.

I was not saying the line itself was an intentional joke, but rather the whole point of internet memes is to take things out of context so getting worked up over a meme taking something out of context is just tilting at the windmills.