Do you support Arizona?

[Chaos Descending]

^ Why would anyone of Hispanic descent support a law that discriminates against their own people?

Having lived here my entire life (30+ years), I can swear to you with full sincerity that no one hates illegal immigrants from Mexico more than legal immigrants from Mexico.

 

[Middle Earther]

Those who are saying read the bill should look into who wrote and promoted this hateful piece of legislation. Please look up the background of the extremely racist FAIR (look up Rachel Maddow's take down of FAIR recently).

The bill will lead to racial profiling and will not be held up when it goes to court.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Those who are saying read the bill should look into who wrote and promoted this hateful piece of legislation. Please look up the background of the extremely racist FAIR (look up Rachel Maddow's take down of FAIR recently).

The bill will lead to racial profiling and will not be held up when it goes to court.

FAIR wrote this bill?

Show proof.

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

yes i love the new LAW ! 59 % of people like the LAW! This comeing form a new fox poll!

There's your problem right there.

 

[pookha]

all the authority has to say well he looked like a certain suspect to justify a stop.

the law can say what is says but some will find a way to justify their actions.

should we not have any laws because there are a few bad cops out there? I don't think so.

so really you take your driver license when you go out for a walk or a run???

actually, yes. I never leave the house without my wallet.

you make it sound like it's a major inconvenience to carry identification. mine fits easily in my pocket.

so you wouldn't mind every time you went out for a walk ect there was a good chance you were going to be stopped and asked for "papers".

once again not constantly being harassed for identity papers was one reason given when i was growing why the us was better then ussr.

why not just go after the people who hire these people and check the papers then.rather then put people of a certain skin color under the constant threat of harassment even if they were born in the united states.

if i were a businessman with any hispanic background i would be making plans to move my business out of arizona right now.
if i were a family that even looked mildly arizona i certainly wouldn't be going there for vacation.

be a lot of funny constantly dealing with authorities who were using whatever justification in their mind that i had to be suspect and thus worthy of being stopped and question for a lenghty period of time.

what a charming vacation.

 

[Chaos Descending]

so you wouldn't mind every time you went out for a walk ect there was a good chance you were going to be stopped and asked for "papers".

This is a ridiculous tangent because it's going to be just as illegal for a cop to randomly stop someone and ask for ID as it is now.

 

[Roger Wilco]

So, will cops who do it anyway be shipped to Mexico too then?

 

[MetalPants]

it may not be in the bill but anyone with any sense knows that a white person isnt going to have someone asking for "papers" just for walking down the street and someone thinking hey they must have done something \

look when i was a kid that the soviets did this to their people was yes held up as one reason they were an evil empire/

times change dont they..

and yet another poster suffering from selective illiteracy.

from my previous post (the one just above yours):

"...the Arizona law is most likely to come into play after a traffic stop."

read the full article

However, if the CBP agent sees a guy standing on the street corner, he has no reasonable suspicion – and cannot perform a legal stop. If the CBP agent sees a car make an illegal left turn, he has no reasonable suspicion and cannot perform a legal stop. Can’t ask them for the papers, no questioning, no search, nothing.

read the full article

no it is based on being born and raised in a part of the country were for a long time men of certain color were stopped for really suspect reasons if they were driving a certain type of car in a certain type of neighborhood.

all the authority has to say well he looked like a certain suspect to justify a stop.

the law can say what is says but some will find a way to justify their actions.

I somehow doubt a bunch of white college kids crammed into a mini van are going to be asked to provide proof of their immigration station.

no one, white, hispanic, or any other ethnicity, would be asked to provide proof of their immigration status, unless they could not provide one of the following documents:

Ø A valid Arizona driver license.
Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

you really should read the farkin' bill.

link & pdf

so really you take your driver license when you go out for a walk or a run???

Yeah, doesn't everyone?

 

[Chaos Descending]

So, will cops who do it anyway be shipped to Mexico too then?

That was a stupid thing to say.

I hope you feel ashamed of yourself.

 

[Roger Wilco]

It was supposed to be a joke, but whatever.

 

[doubleohfive]

I'd like to know if there's anything in place in terms of consequences or accountability for law enforcement who do (whether accidentally or not) wind up detaining, harassing, or just plain wasting the time of legal immigrants or naturalized citizens who happen to fall under the purview of said officer's "reasonable suspicion."

Is there anything like that written in to the law, and if so, where might I find it?

 

[Chaos Descending]

It was supposed to be a joke, but whatever.

So was mine, but whatever.

 

[Chaos Descending]

I'd like to know if there's anything in place in terms of consequences or accountability for law enforcement who do (whether accidentally or not) wind up detaining, harassing, or just plain wasting the time of legal immigrants or naturalized citizens who happen to fall under the purview of said officer's "reasonable suspicion."

Is there anything like that written in to the law, and if so, where might I find it?

Same as any other crime in which an innocent person is detained and life made miserable based on an officer's "reasonable suspicion".

 

[pookha]

so you wouldn't mind every time you went out for a walk ect there was a good chance you were going to be stopped and asked for "papers".

This is a ridiculous tangent because it's going to be just as illegal for a cop to randomly stop someone and ask for ID as it is now.

so you really believe big time racial profiling wont be taking place.??

oh yeah on the matter of fair and the bill
fair brags out role of writing bill
from their own web site..

FAIR's legal affiliate, the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) assisted Senator Pearce in drafting the language of SB1070. IRLI, the nation's leader in developing immigration enforcement legislation at the state level, has counseled lawmakers across the country on every innovative approach in the field of cooperative state immigration enforcement law since 2001.

oh yeah about pearce evidently he is a secret bigot who only denies it when he gets caught or a fool..
arizona central com

Pearce said he sent the e-mail and the article to a few dozen supporters in his Mesa legislative district. The subject line of the e-mail implored supporters to put out yard signs and get people they know out to vote.

He insists that he does not agree with the sentiments in the article, but that the title and the first paragraphs about media bias appealed to him. He said the article had been forwarded to him by someone else and he would not have sent it if he had read it in its entirety.

"It was one of those quick reactions and you wish you could dive in there and get it back," he said of the e-mail.

and what did he send out he now claims (after it being spread out to the general public and not to a few close cronies...)

The article from the National Alliance's Web site was pasted on the bottom of an e-mail Pearce sent to supporters slamming The Arizona Republic for its articles about his comments on the radio last month about a 1950s federal deportation program called "Operation Wetback."

Titled "Who Rules America? The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken," the article criticized the media for promoting multiculturalism and racial equality, for portraying "any racially conscious White Person" as a bigot and for presenting the Jewish Holocaust as fact.

The media presents a "single view of the world - a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish 'Holocaust' tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a 'pluralistic,' cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous, White one," the article says.

 

[Chaos Descending]

so you really believe big time racial profiling wont be taking place.??

1. Are you under the assumption that it doesn't take place now?
2. Are you under the assumption that this bill will magically give police the power to racially profile that they don't have now?

 

[Cornholio]

Arizona has been begging the federal government for years to enforce immigration laws. The federal government has repeatedly said "don't you do anything; we'll take care of it" and then done nothing.

That doesn't make it right, what AZ is doing now. It doesn't give them the right to violate basic civil rights.

the Arizona bill mirrors a Federal law that has been on the books since 1940.

Those who are saying read the bill should look into who wrote and promoted this hateful piece of legislation. Please look up the background of the extremely racist FAIR (look up Rachel Maddow's take down of FAIR recently).

The bill will lead to racial profiling and will not be held up when it goes to court.

the bill was passed by the Arizona House, the Arizona Senate, and was signed by the Governor.

I would humbly submit, that the author of the bill, is completely irrelevant at this point in time.

all the authority has to say well he looked like a certain suspect to justify a stop.

the law can say what is says but some will find a way to justify their actions.

should we not have any laws because there are a few bad cops out there? I don't think so.

so really you take your driver license when you go out for a walk or a run???

actually, yes. I never leave the house without my wallet.

you make it sound like it's a major inconvenience to carry identification. mine fits easily in my pocket.

so you wouldn't mind every time you went out for a walk ect there was a good chance you were going to be stopped and asked for "papers".

not at all. I've done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide.

this reminds me of when I lived in Passaic, NJ. the neighborhood I lived in was infested with drug dealers and it was not uncommon for me to witness drug deals going down on the street right in front of my eyes. I was frequently stopped by both plain clothes police as well as undercover officers and asked for ID, and questioned as to why I was in the neighborhood. I realize the police were only trying to clean up the neighborhood, so I never had a problem with it.

why not just go after the people who hire these people and check the papers

on this I agree 100%. but since the Federal government is not doing it's job, Arizona is going to do it for them.

if you'd READ THE FARKIN' BILL you'd see that it does provide for punishment of businesses, and individuals who hire illegal immigrants.

I've posted the link enough times already. you can go find it for yourself now.

then.rather then put people of a certain skin color under the constant threat of harassment even if they were born in the united states.

again, if you'd READ THE FARKIN' BILL you'd realize IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR.

if i were a businessman with any hispanic background i would be making plans to move my business out of arizona right now.
if i were a family that even looked mildly arizona i certainly wouldn't be going there for vacation.

and you would be well within your rights to do so.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I've done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide.

And we've seen how well THAT works.

 

[scotpens]

Those who are saying read the bill should look into who wrote and promoted this hateful piece of legislation.

Adolf Hitler came up with the idea for the Volkswagen. Therefore, by your reasoning, all Volkswagens are evil cars.

 

[Cornholio]

I'd like to know if there's anything in place in terms of consequences or accountability for law enforcement who do (whether accidentally or not) wind up detaining, harassing, or just plain wasting the time of legal immigrants or naturalized citizens who happen to fall under the purview of said officer's "reasonable suspicion."

Is there anything like that written in to the law, and if so, where might I find it?

apparently you still haven't followed one of the many links I've posted to the bill.

if you had you'd know that this bill is about illegal immigration, not unlawful detention by law enforcement. there's already existing laws regarding that in Arizona, as well as every other state.

 

[Cornholio]

I've done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide.

And we've seen how well THAT works.

yeah, I've never been arrested for something that I haven't done.

seems like it works pretty well.