Why would Our Heroes want the E to go up like a star? They beamed down to Genesis from orbit, so if the E goes up like a star then they might as well have just stayed aboard her. They're equally dead either way.
Could the OG Enterprise have been recovered and rebuilt at all after ST III?
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The Enterprise was basically a piece of junk after she self-destructed. Catastrophic damage to the spaceframe and likely every onboard system fried to extra crispy from the computer core to the main energizers. If the main intent of self-destruct was to simply render the ship trash and worthless to an enemy as a tactical asset, then it probably worked as planned. Burning up in a planetary atmosphere may have been an actual bonus, IMO, ensuring that none of the Enterprise's remains could have been used as propaganda by the Klingons.
There has to be some sort of difference between "A bunch of folk on the bridge are going to fancy talk our way to a self destruct countdown" and whatever Scott was going to do to take out Vejur.
Also, Kirk didn't want to take out every ship in the area with a matter / antimatter supernova. He still needed a ride.
(Still No.)
Also, Kirk didn't want to take out every ship in the area with a matter / antimatter supernova. He still needed a ride.
(Still No.)
I think Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise had the idea of different types of self-destruct.
Per Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise (paraphrasing)...
A self-destruct sequence that ends with "destruct zero" was to be used while in orbit of a planet or in close proximity to a space station or other allied vessels (that likely includes escape pods). It would be a more self-contained demise. It would destroy all of the ship's internal systems, ruin key structural points, and leave the entire vessel a lifeless wrecked derelict.
A self-destruct sequence that ends with "destruct one" was to be used in open space, and would vaporize the entire vessel via an uncontrolled detonation.
IMO, the second option is when you intend to die in a literal blaze of glory and take everyone nearby with you, friend and foe alike.
A self-destruct sequence that ends with "destruct zero" was to be used while in orbit of a planet or in close proximity to a space station or other allied vessels (that likely includes escape pods). It would be a more self-contained demise. It would destroy all of the ship's internal systems, ruin key structural points, and leave the entire vessel a lifeless wrecked derelict.
A self-destruct sequence that ends with "destruct one" was to be used in open space, and would vaporize the entire vessel via an uncontrolled detonation.
IMO, the second option is when you intend to die in a literal blaze of glory and take everyone nearby with you, friend and foe alike.
Shots fired!
What is your personal head canon?
Or Barbossa in Pirates of the Caribbean who somehow becomes a hero. Yeah, that’s the movie/TV/fiction thing where if you haven’t murdered any innocents lately, you’re redeemable. (See for ex. Fennic Shand over on The Mandalorian & The Book of Boba Fett, who had randomly murdered some passerby...
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Absolutely rubbish autodestruct if she can be recovered afterwards. I imagine all her internals were burnt out as we saw with the saucer section prior to explosion.
One novel had the engineering section disposed of at a neutron star..
What is your personal head canon?
Or Barbossa in Pirates of the Caribbean who somehow becomes a hero. Yeah, that’s the movie/TV/fiction thing where if you haven’t murdered any innocents lately, you’re redeemable. (See for ex. Fennic Shand over on The Mandalorian & The Book of Boba Fett, who had randomly murdered some passerby...
I like your theory.
At first I thought you were gonna say that the refit Enterprise from TMP wasn't the OG Enterprise because she had all of her exterior replaced and (according to what I read) every single bit of her interior taken out and replaced as well so essentially, it was basically a completely new ship with nothing from TOS remaining.
I like to think that the original plan for the Enterprise's refit was only to upgrade her engines, but one thing led to another, some other new technologies became available, and the whole thing kind of spiraled out of control, leading to an unplanned redesign of the entire vessel. While for all intents and purposes, the refit Enterprise is a totally new vessel, I like to imagine that there are still a few internal spaceframe members and trusses of the original configuration here and there. Maybe only a tiny percentage, and not detectable without a tricorder, but at least something.
So you're saying engineers LOVE to change things.
McCoy called it.
Every system mentioned after our heroes stole the Enterprise was not functioning properly. It i very much reasonably The self destructive system also not probably work oom right
The gravity was fine. And that's tied to the self destruct.
And the Genesis Planet wasn't working either. That's why it atomized what was left of the pieces of the Enterprise.
Yeah Imagine there were spine and bulkheads that were from the Robert April era while deck plating, etc and hull plates were essentially new.
Does make an interesting Ship of Theseus question if those parts could be re-assembled, but imagine most went into recycling.
Somewhat related to this topic, but I wish that Berman and crew hadn't been so keen on destroying the E-D completely. Instead, the star drive could have survived and received a refit (new nacelles and other minor tweaks) with a new and smaller saucer section. They could have had Probert return and design the refit, providing some nice symmetry with TMP.
As for the Enterprise's destruction, I love the TOS films but I still think destroying her was a mistake. The notion that she was "twenty years old" and due for decommissioning is ridiculous. Enterprise could have survived and then received a repair and refit in TVH. All that's needed is a time jump of some weeks or months between the hearing and the relaunch.
As for the Enterprise's destruction, I love the TOS films but I still think destroying her was a mistake. The notion that she was "twenty years old" and due for decommissioning is ridiculous. Enterprise could have survived and then received a repair and refit in TVH. All that's needed is a time jump of some weeks or months between the hearing and the relaunch.
They could have had Roddenberry return for the TOS movies too. Wasn't going to happen.
Heck, even though they name checked Probert they didn't bring him back for Picard.
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