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Confusion about the timeline....

As I understand things the Protostar launched in 238x and sometime into its mission into the Delta Q ran into a temporal anomaly and ended up 50 years in the future.

2386: the UFP makes first contact with Solum. Division about contact leads to civil war.

2436: They have just sorted it all out when the Protostar arrives in orbit. A plan is hatched to send the Protostar back before first contact to prevent the civil war. Chakotay prevents this with what remains of his crew. Protostar launches empty. The Vau N'Akat send 100 ships into the anomaly after the Protostar.
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First contact could also have been in 2384 or 2385 (though it likely now has been postponed in the prime timeline). The loss of the fleet at Mars causes Starfleet to rethink the use of its resources and ultra long range exploration is very likely to take a back seat after that. I don't think we have been given an exact date, either by the show or background material.

As for "having it sorted all out": my impression is that there are few Vau N'akat left and most of the infrastructure has been destroyed.
 
First contact could also have been in 2384 or 2385 (though it likely now has been postponed in the prime timeline). The loss of the fleet at Mars causes Starfleet to rethink the use of its resources and ultra long range exploration is very likely to take a back seat after that. I don't think we have been given an exact date, either by the show or background material.

As for "having it sorted all out": my impression is that there are few Vau N'akat left and most of the infrastructure has been destroyed.

I got the impression that the planet had 'settled' down again after the civil war. It was devastated, but capable of sustaining life, and government. I'd have to watch the episode again to be sure though.
 
I got the impression that the planet had 'settled' down again after the civil war. It was devastated, but capable of sustaining life, and government. I'd have to watch the episode again to be sure though.
Having looked at the relevant passages again, it's not entirely clear what the situation is. However, there are some points to keep in mind:

-apparently, the worst of the civil war may have been already decades before the Protostar emerged ("decades later, hope returned"), leaving potentially room for some kind of limited restoration. Then again, the civil war and the road towards it also was said to be decades, so it may be less than 20 years if Ascencia was exagerating a bit.
-when Chakotay manages to break out temporarily to send the Protostar back, he appears to be at the ruins of a big city, still in a state of massive disrepair
-I'm not sure, but when the Protostar is shown breaking into orbit of Solum, the surface seems to contain many very large craters, possibly indicative of a very serious surface bombardment. We don't have a pre-civil war state of Solum (seen from orbit) to compare to, though
-"The order" is only formed after the Protostar left prematurely, so it seems there was already more or less a shared purpose before that (at least among those who still had some power and would later form the order)
-they sent their last 100 ships, each manned by one person and one Drednok (and presumably, a number of lesser droids like the Watchers we see at Tars Lamora)
-both The Diviner and Ascencia seem to consider their society to be destroyed, Solum ruined and their species as good as gone. The Diviner underlines this by considering Gwyn to be the last of the Vau N'akat after he would die, unless Starfleet is destroyed (and though this is obviously not literally true).

The penultimate point I think does point to there being few survivors. The decision to send all 100 remaining ships - which are probably very important for the survival of the remaining Vau N'akat, given they offer shelters, replicators etc, while the cities on the surface at least seem to be totally decimated combined with placing only one (wo)man on each of them is difficult to explain otherwise.

If they had plenty of survivors, surely they could have easily sent a decent crew on each (which would have been very helpful, and avoided the need for Gwyn, for example), unless there are other survivors who don't agree with The Order and the numbers of The Order are small (in which case they would still not be united). And if they believed Solum could be rebuild (the society and some form of infrastructure), the ships would have been very helpful in their own time and they may have hedged their bets by sending, say, half rather than all of them. Instead, they went all out to change the past.

My impression is that the survivors were likely mostly sustained by their advanced vessels (who may well have been the primary means of the destruction in the first place), and there wasn't much else left on what would seem to be post-apocalyptic Solum.

This does assume, of course, that Ascencia's statements are more or less accurate. They are at least partially confirmed by the Diviner, however.
 
So I was noddling out some stuff from Prodigy's timeline:

We have no idea of when the Diviner arrived in the past, but the date of 2363 is commonly used.
We have no idea when the Diviner set up the mining colony/prison on Tars Lamora but it must be before 2366
We have no idea how long the Protostar sat in that cavern for, but probably before the mine was setup.

Dal R'El is 17 - a genetic hybrid - making his creation in 2366 - he was student of DaiMon Nandi at least into his teenage years before being sold as a miner. We don't know how long he mined, though I don't think its been too long since his arrival.

Gwyndala is 17 - a Vau N'Akat- making her coloning in 2366. She grew up on Tars Lamora.

Jankom Pog is 16 - a Tellerite - Pog was born before the Federation was formed in 2161 but was in cyro until 23xx when he fixed the sleeper ship but had to leave it and was nabbed by Kazon slavers - we don't know how long he mined.

Zero is ?? - a Medusan - kidnapped by Kazon slavers in ?? and forced to work for the Diviner, before escaping and hiding on the colony for ??? years.

Rok-Tahk is 8 - a Brikar- was part of a slave show but was sold to a Kzon slaver in ??? but had been there long enough to not remember any other food but goop. Was later caught in a Time fracture for ?? - the time it took her to learn enough science to build a warp matrix. It seems the show 'reset' Rok-Tahk after the timeline was restored though?

One does have to wonder why instead of wasting time on finding the Protostar in the past why the Diviner simply did not goto Starfleet and tell them to prevent first contact with Solum (intact in 2363) by general order? It is less elaborate than a virus on a ship for sure. Or simply capture/influtrate another ship and set up a new virus bomb on that one, he clearly had enough tech given he can clone his own child. Ahab single mindedness but only go so far surely? If he landed in 2363 he had 21 years to enact any other plan before Solum was contacted in 2384!
 
I normally enjoy time travel, but it irritates me as well. None of the character arcs or general storylines presented to us needed time travel.

The Protostar didn't need time travel to get lost and abandoned.

The villains' motives of hating the Federation and wanting to save their world didn't need time travel.

Chakotay getting captured and marooned didn't need time travel.

Etc.
 
Wow , I never realised that.
Now I’m trying to picture the show without the initial time travel twists.
 
My understanding is, if Chakotay is trapped in the future (decades after 2380s), how does the Protostar end up in the past (decades before 2380s).
 
One does have to wonder why instead of wasting time on finding the Protostar in the past why the Diviner simply did not goto Starfleet and tell them to prevent first contact with Solum (intact in 2363) by general order? It is less elaborate than a virus on a ship for sure. Or simply capture/influtrate another ship and set up a new virus bomb on that one, he clearly had enough tech given he can clone his own child. Ahab single mindedness but only go so far surely? If he landed in 2363 he had 21 years to enact any other plan before Solum was contacted in 2384!
Because Starfleet wouldn't listen (and he can't give them "orders", obviously, he could merely ask). Season 2 made it clear that even what happened at the end of season 1 did not change Starfleet's mind, they did make first contact with the Vau n'Akat (possibly even faster than in the original timeline, as now they actually knew the location in advance). They merely attempted to use Gwyn as an envoy rather than an entire Starfleet crew at once.

Capturing another ship wasn't easy. Not any vessel would necessarily do, it needs to be a Starfleet vessel to be accepted without precautions. And it also needs to be able to cross the distance to the Federation fast enough, as Starfleet needs to be infected before they can launch the mission to Solum. His own vessel was too slow for that, the location of Tars Lamora too far from the outskirts of the Federation. He presumably doesn't know about the Borg Transwarp lanes.
I normally enjoy time travel, but it irritates me as well. None of the character arcs or general storylines presented to us needed time travel.

The Protostar didn't need time travel to get lost and abandoned.

The villains' motives of hating the Federation and wanting to save their world didn't need time travel.

Chakotay getting captured and marooned didn't need time travel.

Etc.
Gwyn does need the time travel. Without time travel, he could at most have a natural daughter who would have the same experiences as he has (namely, devastating civil war caused, in their view, by Starfleet). Now she grew up under entirely different circumstances than the Diviner, while still being his daughter.

Similarly, the other young protagonists would not have met each other on Tars Lamora because Tars Lamora wouldn't exist.
 
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