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[Cyke101]

I'll leave overall movies to the rest of you. But I always thought it was weird how the engine room in Nemesis looked worse than the TNG-TV show. Heck, the warp core for the E-E overall just always threw me off -- it might work for the Defiant, but we barely saw engineering there anyway. The E-E's engine room just looked like one major downgrade to me, and not nearly as sprawling or multi-leveled as the E-D (I know the E-E engine room also had many levels, but it was rarely showcased).

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As for TMP, my only problem with the ship interiors was the classic 70s color scheme. Change the colors into something either neutral or less bland (so either direction), and it would fit better. Otherwise, yes, the ship interiors were mighty impressive.

 

[Orphalesion]

I'm actually interested now, I've read that TMP was based on the pilot episode of the failed "Phase II" TV show.
If the show had gone through, would Ilia have still died in the pilot and then technically been a robot fashioned after the "real" Ilia for the rest of the series?

It was. You can find the script for "In Thy Image" in the book "PHASE II: THE LOST SERIES".

And no, Decker and Ila would both have continued as characters if that show had been made.

Ah no, I knew that there would have still been a Lt. Ilia pn board the Enterprise for Phase II, after all "The Child" was originally written for her before becoming the most awful of Troi episodes.
My question was if this "Ilia" would have been the original individual who had signed on as navigator or the Probe that had replaced her, now freed of V'Gers programming and virtually indistinguishable from her. They did after all try to break that programming in the movie.

If V'Ger didn't kill the original in the movie, then what else did it do to her? Simply controlling her mind? That seems reasonable, actually.

Imho it's a pity they didn't keep Decker, Illia or Saavik around for the rest of the Movie Series, then again if they did we might not have had Riker and Troi in TNG.

 

[RandyS]

I'm actually interested now, I've read that TMP was based on the pilot episode of the failed "Phase II" TV show.
If the show had gone through, would Ilia have still died in the pilot and then technically been a robot fashioned after the "real" Ilia for the rest of the series?

It was. You can find the script for "In Thy Image" in the book "PHASE II: THE LOST SERIES".

And no, Decker and Ila would both have continued as characters if that show had been made.

Ah no, I knew that there would have still been a Lt. Ilia pn board the Enterprise for Phase II, after all "The Child" was originally written for her before becoming the most awful of Troi episodes.
My question was if this "Ilia" would have been the original individual who had signed on as navigator or the Probe that had replaced her, now freed of V'Gers programming and virtually indistinguishable from her. They did after all try to break that programming in the movie.

If V'Ger didn't kill the original in the movie, then what else did it do to her? Simply controlling her mind? That seems reasonable, actually.

Just find the book I told you about and see for yourself. the answers to your questions are there.

 

[Orphalesion]

Just find the book I told you about and see for yourself. the answers to your questions are there.

Or you know you could have just told me that she still gets "disassembled" and replaced by "Tasha", but that Ve-Jur ends up restoring her.
The script was easy enough to find online.

 

[Therin of Andor]

If the show had gone through, would Ilia have still died in the pilot and then technically been a robot fashioned after the "real" Ilia for the rest of the series?

In "In Thy Image", after V'ger merges with Decker, and the Ilia Probe is seemingly gone, the crew find a burnt-out "light bee" device on the ground. It is the core of the original probe that had invaded the ship, the entity that Chekov had named "Tasha" (because its pearlescent light effect resembled his Aunt Tasha's pearl ring). They had continued to call the probe "Tasha" even after it took Ilia's form. As they are pondering its demise, the real Ilia suddenly rematerializes, a parting gift from V'ger. (I think, IIRC, Decker also sends a message that he will do all he can to find a way to return?)

Roddenberry knew that this ending painted them into a corner as to Decker, but he was their series' "leading man" (similarly, Riker was considered to be the likely lead character for TNG - until the casting of Patrick Stewart as Picard), and heir-apparent should Shatner keep to his vow to do only 13 episodes and then reconsider his options, perhaps to return only in guest roles as Admiral Kirk. Shatner, at this point in his career, really wanted to do motion pictures, hopefully of higher calibre than "Kingdom of the Spiders", although he ended up back in TV long-term with "TJ Hooker".

Although several full "Phase II" scripts and lots of story treatments were on hand (ie. 13 hours of storylines), and all of them featured Xon, Ilia and Decker, they didn't know which one would be following "In Thy Image". The plan was to tack on a prologue that sees Decker find a way back home, no doubt enlightened with new perspectives on the human condition.

 

[Maurice]

In some drafts the real Ilia was returned to the ship when V'ger left. "That unit no longer functions," doesn't necessarily mean V'ger couldn't make her functional again.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think that it is fair to refer to a movie character such as Ilia Probe, with high heels and in a bathrobe with a high hemline to start with, that even goes gratuitously higher in the crotch area, as intentionally sexy.

On the part of the filmmakers, yes. But no one in the film relates to her that way.

Ah, yes. Quite so.

 

[RandyS]

Just find the book I told you about and see for yourself. the answers to your questions are there.

Or you know you could have just told me that she still gets "disassembled" and replaced by "Tasha", but that Ve-Jur ends up restoring her.
The script was easy enough to find online.

If you knew enough to look it up online, then you didn't need me to tell you anything, did you?

 

[Captrek]

Yeah, but I did because I'm too lazy to look. Thanks, Orph.

 

[Therin of Andor]

In some drafts the real Ilia was returned to the ship when V'ger left.

As she does for the first few comic strips that Thomas Warkentin did for the "LA Times Syndicate". Ilia is alive and well, in a post-Vejur adventure... because Warkentin was working from an earlier version of the script!

 

[2takesfrakes]

Did Persis Khambatta ever make it to STAR TREK conventions? What were her thoughts on the possibility?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Did Persis Khambatta ever make it to STAR TREK conventions? What were her thoughts on the possibility?

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-motion-picture-a-convention-and-persis-khambatta

http://www.startrek.com/article/one-trek-mind-celebrating-persis-khambatta

http://www.inspirationalstories.com/quotes/i-only-went-to-one-star-trek-of-persis-khambatta-quote/

 

[sonak]

Did Persis Khambatta ever make it to STAR TREK conventions? What were her thoughts on the possibility?

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-motion-picture-a-convention-and-persis-khambatta

http://www.startrek.com/article/one-trek-mind-celebrating-persis-khambatta

http://www.inspirationalstories.com/quotes/i-only-went-to-one-star-trek-of-persis-khambatta-quote/

interesting stuff, thanks for that

 

[FormerLurker]

Did Persis Khambatta ever make it to STAR TREK conventions? What were her thoughts on the possibility?

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-motion-picture-a-convention-and-persis-khambatta

http://www.startrek.com/article/one-trek-mind-celebrating-persis-khambatta

http://www.inspirationalstories.com/quotes/i-only-went-to-one-star-trek-of-persis-khambatta-quote/

The author of the second article tries to put some import into Orson Welles' narration of the teaser trailer that really isn't there. Yes, Ilia, and Persis Khambatta, were women meant for much more in the world, but Welles' voice drops off at the end of her name more because hers was the last name on the list.

Me, I get misty wishing there were more, much more to Persis Khambatta's career, and that she were still with us, so more would be forthcoming in the future. Oh, what could have been.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Thanks for the links ...
Persis Khambatta was COOL!!!