Captain Marvel (2019)

[gblews]

The "wave" of bigotry though seemed to be in the season opener 4 when Phlox is attacked and then you don't see it really pop up again until the last few episodes at the end of the season.

Phlox is not attacked on earth until the third episode, Home. That is the set up for the mass xenophobia we see on earth in the last part of the season. The NX-01 spends the majority of the season in deep space, which is the reason we don't see what is going on, on earth. But we begin to find out later in the season.

I mean I am not disagreeing that this stuff wasn't their. Only it just didn't feel so ant-classic Trek to a point where it didn't feel like they were doing things that Trek never dared to tackle before. It felt like Berman Trek with a extra layer.

Ask yourself one question (on this topic), did any of the spinoffs show mass xenophobic racism on earth, other than Ent? The answer to that question, regardless of all the superfluous, unrelated stuff you have brought up, is no.

Here's something else for you to stew on, Ent was the first Trek series to build an entire season on a single mission. That would be the Xindi mission in season 3.

 

[JD]

Voyager was never on the CW, the CW didn't even come around after Enterprise was over.

 

[gblews]

I like ENT but I wouldn't say that as DS9 did some very innovative things (for a Star Trek series) prior to ENT. Granted it was because it was the 'Red Headed Stepchild' of the TGrek franchise during ST: V's UPN/CW run, but given ENT's return to the "Starship exploring the Universe' premise of every show except DS9 - overall I'd still sat DS9 was more innovative first even though I myself do like ENT more than DS9 myself.

I would say DS9 was second most innovative to Ent.

 

[Jayson1]

Phlox is not attacked on earth until the third episode, Home. That is the set up for the mass xenophobia we see on earth in the last part of the season. The NX-01 spends the majority of the season in deep space, which is the reason we don't see what is going on, on earth. But we begin to find out later in the season.

Ask yourself one question (on this topic), did any of the spinoffs show mass xenophobic racism on earth, other than Ent? The answer to that question, regardless of all the superfluous, unrelated stuff you have brought up, is no.

Here's something else for you to stew on, Ent was the first Trek series to build an entire season on a single mission. That would be the Xindi mission in season 3.

Well Deep Space Nine beat them to the arc. I think "Enterprise" put more pre-planning into theirs in that they had a clear objective but even then they weren't to far from "DS9" when it came to the steps in achieving it. You still had time for a visit to the old west planet and time travel to present day. No we didn't see xenophobia on earth but then Trek has never spent much time on earth. The show does deserve some credit even if was behind the times of other shows on tv. But I still think DS9 did more. They were the first to do anything close to a arc. It was more character oriented. They took Starfleet and the Federation down many times through Section 31 and the Maquis and by simply being the first Trek show to really offer us a non-Starfleet perspective with Kira,Odo and Quark. They had the biggest supporting cast that wasn't series regulars but were seen almost like regulars. They were also the first to start to break away from Piller speak and tecnobabble.

Jason

 

[ichab]

I hadn't seen Larson in anything before this, so I was coming into this movie with a fresh perspective. In my view she did a wonderful job with this part. She was not only believable but made it a character that was strong, witty, and vulnerable. That is not an easy thing to do for any actress and she pulled it off. She made this a character that I cared about and was rooting for throughout the entire movie. If anyone has a problem with her performance, then there's no pleasing them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Voyager was never on the CW, the CW didn't even come around after Enterprise was over.

UPN + WB = CW.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I know that but The CW didn't launch until Sept. 18, 2006, Enterprise ended on May 13, 2005, and just for reference VOY ended on May 23, 2001.

 

[Qonundrum]

Carol from the comics is a human being.

Carol from the movies has been brain washed into believing that she is Kree.

They can't be the same person, or react to stimulus similarly because they are not even from the same planet.

True, but if the movies are avoiding thew comic's canon in favor of whatever they want to do instead... in which case why not make a new franchise and not be tied to a bunch of names if they're not going to be tied to the nuances in the original material? Even "Wonder Woman", a much stronger movie from a couple years ago IMHO, felt some tic-like need to change her origins. If it's got the brand name on it, why not be true to the source material? May as well make a souffle but replace six eggs with six hedgehogs. As Shakespeare once claimed, a skunk by any other name will smell just as-- oh, wait...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hey?

Starlord was taken around about the same time this movie was happening.

Did they slide in an easter egg about that?

 

[JD]

True, but if the movies are avoiding thew comic's canon in favor of whatever they want to do instead... in which case why not make a new franchise and not be tied to a bunch of names if they're not going to be tied to the nuances in the original material? Even "Wonder Woman", a much stronger movie from a couple years ago IMHO, felt some tic-like need to change her origins. If it's got the brand name on it, why not be true to the source material? May as well make a souffle but replace six eggs with six hedgehogs. As Shakespeare once claimed, a skunk by any other name will smell just as-- oh, wait...

They stayed true enough to the core of her origin that I was happy with what we got.

 

[Reverend]

At a certain point "because they did it thus in the comics" is not in and of itself a valid criticism for an adaptation. Some times the comic book version is convoluted, tied up with various other narratives that were going on at the time or were just straight-up BAD and in desperate need of reworking.
Carol's backstory just so happens to be all three of the above and as such, massively streamlining and reorienting her origin story wasn't only necessary, it was preferable.

Hey?

Starlord as taken around about the same time this movie was happening.

Did they slide in an easter egg about that?

No, Peter was "taken" in '88. This movie takes place in '95, with significant flashbacks to mostly '89 but I guess also some various stuff from what it probably the early 70's (Carol's childhood) to early-to-mid 80's (Carol's USAF training.)

 

[P Tom]

Hey?

Starlord was taken around about the same time this movie was happening.

Did they slide in an easter egg about that?

Some fan theory says that the shooting star Carol and Monica see in Carol's flashback was actually Yondu's spaceship flying off with Peter Quill back in 1988. Link. More links if you do a google search.

 

[Reverend]

Some fan theory says that the shooting star Carol and Monica see in Carol's flashback was actually Yondu's spaceship flying off with Peter Quill back in 1988. Link. More links if you do a google search.

Pretty sure Missouri is a little too far away from Southern California for that theory to be viable.

 

[Silvercrest]

Once Roddenberry is evoked then you know this thread is two posts away from being 'Godwinned'...

A thread that has Gene Roddenberry dragged in out of context has been "Rodwinned".

 

[Refuge]

A thread that has Gene Roddenberry dragged in out of context has been "Rodwinned".

That is a keeper! (I just may have to use it one day but will credit you ).

 

[Gov Kodos]

I saw Captain Marvel. It's a great movie and Carol is one of the finest female heroes in film. Goose the cat is now the best cat on film.

I still love Tabitha. Leading feline out to avenge her murdered owner in 'The Shadow of the Cat'.

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[DEWLine]

Pretty sure Missouri is a little too far away from Southern California for that theory to be viable.

Depends on Yondu's flightpath from Missouri.