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Best Romero zombie film, and general zombie talk

Which is the freshest of these dead films?

  • Night of the Living Dead, "The cellar is the safest place."

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • Dawn of the Dead, "We've got this by the ass, man!"

    Votes: 14 63.6%
  • Day of the Dead, "Choke on 'em!"

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Land of the Dead "Zombies creep me out."

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Diary of the Dead "If it didn't happen on camera, it didn't happen."

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Survival of the Dead ...um, zombie on horseback?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Flesh eating...ewwww, at what point does that get fun?

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Total voters
    22

Kirkman1987

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With the highly anticipated AMC adaptation of The Walking Dead hitting screens next month, and Zombie films in general having dominated my viewing for the past week or so, I thought this would be a good time to speak about some of our favorites of the genre.

I wanted to do a poll, but a favorite Zombie film poll seemed impossible to pull off well, as any serious fan of the genre is sure to have some of their own more obscure favorites. Considering this, I've made a poll to consider which is the best of the popular Romero "...Of the Dead" series. I figure this will come down to Night and Dawn, but no need to exclude the few who may feel otherwise. Feel free to discuss your opinions of the other films as well.

Outside of Romero, What are some of your favorites? Do you prefer the shambling dead or Zombies that could be on a field and track team?

my ranking of the Romero Films, in order....

Dawn of the Dead - The Best Romero film, The best Zombie film, and one of my personal favorite films. In scale this the biggest film Romero made(Land of the dead never seemed as big to me). The amount of carnage on display is impressive. The film also features excellent characters by the standards of this kind of film, They are easy to like and we identify with them. The idea of holding up in a shopping mall is not only a cool fantasy, but allows for some very clever social commentary about consumerism. Even with this subtext, it never detracts from the adventure like some of the later films do. It has a great atmosphere of dread and the end of the mankind, yet has some seriously funny moments. A near perfect movie.

Night of the Living Dead - This is just as good as Dawn, and I believe a preference between one or the other depends on which concept you prefer, and perhaps whether you prefer the more comic book style of Dawn or the straight black and white horror of Night. Duane Jones gives one of the best performances of the series as Ben, and The other characters fill their roles well. This is the most Tense film in the series, and one of the few times zombies were actually frightening as monsters. The main thing I respect about night is the total balls this movie has. They cast an educated black man in the lead, show graphic violence for the time, and the film features of the most shcking and depressing endings ever. I also respect the fact that Mr. Cooper, although the villian of the piece, ended up actually being right about the cellar being the safest place. That's a cool thing that you realize on second viewing or so and it really gets you to think.

Day of the Dead - This is the darkest of the films, and like many I didn't like it much the first time I saw it. Coming off of Dawn, I wanted another big Comic Book adventure, and this movie is very subdued and more serious. It's hard to relate to most of the people in this film, and the underground setting for the majority of the film is bleak. Coming around though, I realise this was exactly the point. There is some fun to be had in the heavy drinking Irish character and Capt. Rhodes, one of the most iconic over the top performance in a Zombie movie ever. I think a zombie movie needs more than good effects to be great, but it is worth mentioning that Day has amazing make-up and gore. It's depressing that most newer zombie movies can't compete with Day of the Dead's effects.

With that we get to the Newer Romero films, which are much weaker. They still hold my interest enough, and I would say they are decent zombie flicks, but a far cry from the earlier entries that defined the genre. The acting is worse, the scripts not as tight, and some of the practical effects often replaced with poor CGI. THey just don't have that bleak feeling anymore. Romero on a bad day is still watchable however.

Land of the Dead - This movie benefits greatly from a studio sized budget. I really like the western feel to some of the early scenes (The bar scene), with the dusters and attitude on display in those scenes giving me a slight Firefly vibe. Dennis Hopper is not so good in this, but seeing him is a pleasure none the less. The star of the film is the awesome Dead Reckoning vehicle.

Survival of the Dead- I like this just slightly over Diary as Diary's Handheld camera conceit just doesn't work for me, and I find O'flynn and the soldiers far more interesting than the Teens of Diary. I think it's cool to See a zombie western, and I kinda wish Romero had just made a western and not a zombie film. That said, this one has a few genuine laughs and Kenneth Walsh (Windom Earle from Twin Peaks) is great as O'Flynn. It has some seriously slow spots in the middle, and outside of O'Flynn and one or two other characters, they are just poor cutouts, beyond those even considered standard for the genre, they are just a waste. The CGI work is also really shoddy here. Not a good film really, but it's worth watching for the hardcore fans.

Diary - My least favorite. It's no worse than survival really, I just hate the handheld camera style used in some films today. It suffers from the same problems as survival, and the social point about New media and our fascination with voyuerism and documenting our lives rather than acting to help ourselves is valid, but I could use less bad writing and more excitement. On the plus side, The Professer character is a real hoot along with the Deaf Amish man. A awful movie made watchable by some amusing bits and it's place in a storied series.

Whew. Outside of the Romero films, I like most of the more recent and popular films like Zombieland, Shaun, Dawn '04, 28 days later (Yes, I know they aren't really zombies.)

I'm very fond of Peter Jackson's Braindead and The first Re-animator Film for being Funny and still delivering the genre goods. Re-animator benefits greatly from Jeffrey Combs considerable acting skills.

Has anyone seen Fido? It may be my favorite Zombie film after Night and Dawn. Really cute twisted movie, but it has genuine heart. I dare say that outside of a shot or two of gore and some sexual innuendos it's a legitimate children's movie. The period detail is impressive, and the acting, even by the children, is great.

Finally, Shamblers all the way. I see the appeal of fast zombies, but they've just never felt right to me.
 
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For me it would be a tie between Night and Dawn. I really loved both of the remakes of those films as well (not the terrible Night 3-D remake version. The one with Tony Todd). Day and Return ("Send more paramedics") are good too.

I hated Land. I thought it was just dreadful. Don't even get me started.

I just recently got around to seeing the much anticipated Zombieland, and was horrified only by how bad it was. I thought the characters were flat and uninteresting, and I'm a huge Woody fan too. I just couldn't make much sense of the whole thing (like why would those girls think that amusement park would have no zombies? Why did the rides all run themselves with no operator?), and I thought most of the zombie action was pretty lame. I also found it extremely unfunny.

I also didn't care much for 28 Days/Weeks Later, but they were OK. Same with Shaun.

I LOVE Fido. Even though it's a zomedy, it's my favorite non-Romero zombie film. Billy Connelly is fantastic. I have the DVD and watch it over and over.

I actually thought Planet Terror was pretty good.

There's a recent movie called Deadgirl that I haven't seen, but want to. Anyone seen it? Is it good?

Oh, and although technically not about zombies, that crazy ass movie that Marcel Marceau starred in (70's I think) called Shanks is a total trip. He controls dead bodies like puppets. If you haven't seen it, try and seek it out. Tragically, I do not think it's out on DVD. Seriously, one of the trippiest movies you'll ever see. I caught it on TCM not too long ago. I think it's a brilliant piece of filmmaking.

I also really like Maximum Overdrive. Zombie machines, right? ;)

I dig fast zombies, but I hear what you're saying. The Dawn remake is what really sold me on them. It just really turned up the intensity level, and was so well done in that film. But there is nothing quite like the lumbering zombie that you just know you could so easily outrun, yet the people in the movie just can't seem to.

P.S. HATED Peter Jackson's Dead Alive (or whatever other titles it goes by. I assume Braindead is the same movie). A friend recommended that to me some time ago, and I almost disowned him over it. I don't think I even came close to making it to the end. 5 more minutes of it and I would have hung myself. It's one of those rare movies that I'll never be able to understand how anyone could possibly think it's good. To each his own I guess. :techman:
 
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I thought Zombieland was a lot of fun, but i'm not sure it deserves all the praise it recieved. Some of the jokes fell flat with me and I thought the plot was good enough to string jokes around, but nothing too interesting, a road trip movie.

I am ashamed to say that I still have not seen Planet Terror as of yet, even though I'm sure I would enjoy it greatly. I just have not gotten around to it, and it's been like five years.Oh well.

Glad you liked Fido, And I think it's become my favorite non-Romero zombie film too (With a possible exception for Re-animator, if that counts). It's the best Zomedy ever.

The slow zombie just represents what a zombie represents to me I guess. When I see a zombie run and attack someone like an animal, it just loses that creepy unnatural vibe it had, that sense of being otherworldly and undead. Of course in the Case of Romero's films, the zombies being ineffective is to show that humanity could survive if they could work together, but they can't and die.
That said, I'm not a total purist, and I enjoy films regardless of how fit the undead are. :)

I could see someone not liking Dead Alive (AKA Braindead) but I love it. It's a stupid movie, but stupid can be fun.
The mutant baby fight at the park, The Kung-Fu Priest, what's not to love?:guffaw:

As for a Zombie Film I couldn't stand, I really dislike those Return of the Living Dead Movies. Odd since I just praised Braindead for it's silliness, and now I'm condemning these for the same thing.Strange how that works.

I just saw Dead Snow last night. It's a recent film with Nazi Zombies. It was very typical B-movie fun. The exposition was pretty terrible, but the action scenes were inventive. One memorable scene featured one of our heroes swinging off of a cliff using a zombie's entrails.
 
My Romero zombie film ranking...

Dawn of the Dead
Night ofthe Living Dead
Day of the Dead
Land of the Dead
Diary of the Dead

Still haven't got around to seeing Survival yet, so can't really comment on that one.

The remakes are pretty hit and miss really. Savini's Night remake stands up pretty well, and Snyder's Dawn remake is alot of fun. However the Day "reimagining" is absolute crap of the highest order. And the less said about Night of the Living Dead 3-D, the better.
Apparently, we're getting a prequel film next year, Night of the Living Dead: Origins 3D (awful title) by British director Simon West. It brings back Tony Todd as Ben, and Bill Moseley a Johnny, from Savini's remake, and casts Danielle Harris in the role of Barbara. Should be worth a watch.

Speaking of Night, did anyone else see that god-awful 30th Anniversary edition John Russo put together, with those stupid scenes with the preacher who survives a zombie bite? Man, that was a shocker of a reworking.

Another film worth mentioning alongside Romero's films is Flesheater. It's directed by, and stars, Bill Hinzman - the cemetary zombie from the original Night - and it sort of plays out like an unofficial prequel to Night. You can imagine the events of Flesheater playing out in the lead-up to Barbara and Johnny arriving at the cemetary.

I've been a big fan of zombie films for years, and have a pretty big collection of them. There are some great ones out there, as well as some absolute shockers.
Euro zombie films can be pretty hit and miss - for every Zombie Flesh Eaters, there's a Zombie Lake lurking in the background, but there are some great ones out there, such as The Beyond, and House by the Cemetary.
Japanese zombie films are a bit more inventive and "out there" than Western takes. Versus, and Junk are great examples of that.

I agree with you, Kirkman, that while fast zombies are fine and all, shamblers are much better. They lure you into a false sense of security, force you to make mistakes or become overconfident, and overwhelm you with numbers. Fast zombies produce instant scares, by virtue of the fear of something fast and aggressive that wants to kill you, but you can't beat the creeping tension and sense of futility that comes with a million shamblers wandering around. They'll get you, it's just a matter of time.

I'd have to say that zombie films are my favourite horror genre. I love a good post-apocalyptic scenario, and it doesn't get much better than a zombie apocalypse.
 
Definitely Dawn of the Dead.

Though Land of the Dead was a lot better than I thought it was going to be.
 
Survival of the Dead was a tragically poor film, Romero should fold up his director's chair. Although judging from SotD, the budget probably didn't stretch to chairs.

The CGI gore effects are almost universally horrible and the film lacks any suspense whatsoever. Not to mention that the characters behave at times in completely inexplicable manners, and many things in the film just make no sense at all.

Dawn or Day would be my favourite.
 
Night of the Living Dead is my favourite Romero zombie film, closely followed by Dawn of the Dead. I saw Day of the Dead, but it didn't make much of an impression on me. I haven't seen the remainder.

The Savini remake of Night and the recent remake of Dawn were both pretty good.

But my favourite zombie film, by far, is Return of the Living Dead. The movie that gave us: "Brains!"

And I must confess to a shameful weakness for Nazi zombies--movies like Outpost and, especially, Dead Snow.
 
Survival of the Dead was a tragically poor film, Romero should fold up his director's chair. Although judging from SotD, the budget probably didn't stretch to chairs.

The CGI gore effects are almost universally horrible and the film lacks any suspense whatsoever. Not to mention that the characters behave at times in completely inexplicable manners, and many things in the film just make no sense at all.

Dawn or Day would be my favourite.

Yeah, The low budgets on the last two Romero films have just been embarrassing. I don't think he's utilizing his his budget well either, because I've seen tons of recent zombie films with similar low budgets that were technically far better made and more cinematic. Survival looked like some fake trailer from collegehumor or something. The zombies themselves aren't as good looking, and there are far less of them.

I also find it odd that Romero claims to put up with low budgets to maintain creative control,but then doesn't really give us anything interesting for it. Honestly, if working with the studio (I'm sure the real reason he doesn't work with the studio is that they won't bankroll him) meant more movies like Land, it would be a vast improvement from what he is doing now.

The real shame is That Romero didn't get to direct The Resident Evil film. Has anyone read his script? It would've been a fun flick, and much closer to the spirit of the game. It would've been a far better comeback than Land was.
 
I could see someone not liking Dead Alive (AKA Braindead) but I love it. It's a stupid movie, but stupid can be fun.
The mutant baby fight at the park, The Kung-Fu Priest, what's not to love?:guffaw:

Well yeah even though I say I'll never understand how anyone could like it, there are plenty of stupid movies I like that no one else likes, The Dark Backward being a perfect example. Isn't Dead Alive the one with the stupid looking stop motion animated rat monkey? lol good grief.

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Well yeah even though I say I'll never understand how anyone could like it, there are plenty of stupid movies I like that no one else likes, The Dark Backward being a perfect example. Isn't Dead Alive the one with the stupid looking stop motion animated rat monkey? lol good grief.
Yes, that's the one. It's certainly to each their own, as I can't really defend it as a quality film. I like Jackson's sick humor though....

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhBoSjDKxak[/yt]


 
I can't say I'm a big zombie fan ;) but I'm very intrigued by the rumored movie adaptation of World War Z starring Brad Pitt. How are they going to pull it off? One idea is to create a quasi-documentary cobbled together from various types of "video footage" - cell phone cameras, security cameras, tourist camcorders, news crews, etc. That plus survivor interviews might just work.

Favorite hilarious/horrifying zombie scene: the "rabid weasels" sequence from Return of the Living Dead.
 
Favorite hilarious/horrifying zombie scene: the "rabid weasels" sequence from Return of the Living Dead.

:lol:

WARNING: GORY SCENE Do not watch if you are disturbed by decapitations.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udCdMQkQHAU&feature=related[/yt]
 
That's a great scene - love the little detail with the flapping butterflies :rommie: - but here's the scene I was talking about, just a bit later after they managed to chop up their "problem" because the zombie movies lied about the brains.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjCDsp0vNf8&feature=related[/yt]
 
Since this thread is back up I'll say that I rewatched survival for the first time and I liked it much more. It's the best one since Day.
 
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