Wasn't that the entire premise of Indian tribes in space minus the prison part?
Beltran: Being Vocal About Chakotay
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Wasn't that the entire premise of Indian tribes in space minus the prison part?
That crossed my mind but I knew it was impossible as Hollywood had never heard of Maoris at that point.
I remember when Attack of the Clones came out and some US newspaper review ranted about the terrible hispanic stereotype of having a hispanic playing bad guy Jango Fett.
The space Indans transplanted by the preservers in TOS, and TNG (who were being transplanted by starfleet away from the cardassians) ended up baring no relation to Chakotay who was raised on Earth and left Starfleet to join the Maquis.
Voyagers writers didn't care about the painsstaking effort used to set up their plot by the other frnchises becuase they are byond needing help from stoy matter they have never seen.
Voyagers writers didn't care about the painsstaking effort used to set up their plot by the other frnchises becuase they are byond needing help from stoy matter they have never seen.
I suspect that reviewer didn't even know (or care) prequels were made in the Antipodes 
That would have been a very different show..
Every time I see his name I think, "peck your things".
IMO Chakotay's character would have been way more interesting if he was more Maquis and less the spiritual silence personified. Nothing against spiritual men, but this feature comes more attractive as a deeper, hidden layer behind a more aggressive and active persona.
There were moments especially in the beginning when Chakotay was opposing Janeway i.e. regarding the way she was picky about B'Elanna as a chief engineer or when he ended that mutiny talk in the messhall.
I think he had quite a good leverage on Janeway because she depended on his cooperation to integrate his Maquis and have them doing their jobs. Just imagine they would have called out a strike. As far as I understood the original Voyager crew was decimated to a level where they were extremely short on manpower. I don't know if they had been able to run the ship without the Maquis.
Chakotay got only few episodes for character development and those were mainly about the spiritual thing. We learn almost nothing about his past with the Maquis. Remind me, if I forgot about some key episodes here, but I can not recall a single flashback concerning his days with the Maquis. It could have been interesting to give the character some oddities or quirks to make him less predictable, and which are explained by his past.
I can't really judge RB's acting skills, I think the main flaw is in the writing of his character.
There were moments especially in the beginning when Chakotay was opposing Janeway i.e. regarding the way she was picky about B'Elanna as a chief engineer or when he ended that mutiny talk in the messhall.
I think he had quite a good leverage on Janeway because she depended on his cooperation to integrate his Maquis and have them doing their jobs. Just imagine they would have called out a strike. As far as I understood the original Voyager crew was decimated to a level where they were extremely short on manpower. I don't know if they had been able to run the ship without the Maquis.
Chakotay got only few episodes for character development and those were mainly about the spiritual thing. We learn almost nothing about his past with the Maquis. Remind me, if I forgot about some key episodes here, but I can not recall a single flashback concerning his days with the Maquis. It could have been interesting to give the character some oddities or quirks to make him less predictable, and which are explained by his past.
I can't really judge RB's acting skills, I think the main flaw is in the writing of his character.
I felt Voyager as a whole had some excellent assets - good concept, good characters, fab layout, interesting stories, good actors...but some of the execution let it down. Beltran is a good example of that. He was an alright (But not perfect) actor. He was given such little meat to feast on and when scraps were thrown his way they were either paltry or he fluffed it.
Watch this:
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o98ULd9T0tk[/yt]
See how immobile he is when talking softly to his lover about how she RIPPED HIS HEART OUT AND BETRAYED HIM. There's a reason some folks refer to him as "Planky". Terrible, terrible acting for one of his most dramatic story lines in the series. And this is season 1, the 11nth episode, before he had reason to complain about his character doing nothing and getting short shifted.
They wrote an increasing amount of of EMH stories because Picardo was a great actor. I think they knew Beltran wasn't going to give them any kind of performance worth writing great stories about.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o98ULd9T0tk[/yt]
See how immobile he is when talking softly to his lover about how she RIPPED HIS HEART OUT AND BETRAYED HIM. There's a reason some folks refer to him as "Planky". Terrible, terrible acting for one of his most dramatic story lines in the series. And this is season 1, the 11nth episode, before he had reason to complain about his character doing nothing and getting short shifted.
They wrote an increasing amount of of EMH stories because Picardo was a great actor. I think they knew Beltran wasn't going to give them any kind of performance worth writing great stories about.
Writing an asshole is easy. Writing a nice guy who is not tedious is really difficult.
Tom is a nice guy. They wrote lots for him. His facial muscles move.
Usually.
Usually he is nice or usually his facial muscles move?
Hmm.
Both.
Both.
Of course this is writing fail in itself since he was supposed to be a bad boy.
Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as well. I like Voyager, dammit, I do, but sometimes I have to roll my eyes. At least it's addressed, and there is "Thirty Days" as a nicely composed "previously, on Tom Paris..." piece, but the way Tom's transformation is addressed is so... meh.
Season 1+2: "I'm very occasionally rebellious. Only occasionally, mind you."
Season 4: "I'm not the man I was when I first came aboard. I've changed."
When? What happened? I missed it. I see your point, Tom, but I don't... understand what happened. Pray tell?
Tom Paris: "You don't remember, Jeff? That day... it changed me forever."
Ohh. I see.
Season 1+2: "I'm very occasionally rebellious. Only occasionally, mind you."
Season 4: "I'm not the man I was when I first came aboard. I've changed."
When? What happened? I missed it. I see your point, Tom, but I don't... understand what happened. Pray tell?
Tom Paris: "You don't remember, Jeff? That day... it changed me forever."
Ohh. I see.
Of course that day changed him forever. You would be changed too if you had mated with Captain Janeway.
You would
Change too
If Kathryn
Mated with you
Change too
If Kathryn
Mated with you
Tom is suposed to be an outrageous badass, but hard as they try... All they've got is a "Nice guy".
At least in the beginning.
But what's his rate of transition?
At least in the beginning.
But what's his rate of transition?
Nominal, until he hits Warp 10. Then it's... Warp 10.
