Beltran: Being Vocal About Chakotay

[Alpha Flyer]

So let me get this straight,

they got men and women.

Then they got something worse then women?

Then got something worse than something worse than women?

Then they got something worse than something worse than something worse than woman?

Men used to go to war to avoid their wives.

Nazi occupied Europe was a valid alternative to wedded bliss.

I love Mira Sorvino.

Emm, Guy ... best of luck with Mira. That is all.

 

[Guy Gardener]

My eye wanders.

Not even the most beautiful woman in the universe

(Betty Rubble.)

Can keep my attention for long.

But your sincerity has been noted in a little red book full of other names I must buy excessively expensive Christmas presents for.

 

[Alpha Flyer]

Good thought. Very Good Thought. ;-)

 

[exodus]

Why wouldn't 8472 be hostile towards Voyager? First contact was their away team strolling into their ship as if they had every right. Only then did the 8472 start aggressively coming at them. Entering someone's property is going to provoke a hostile reaction from most people.

The second time they were with the Borg who were very obviously covering for them. Why shouldn't they have assumed they were the enemy then? By that point they were. Janeway didn't even try and negotiate with 8472, she just made assumptions. I always got the impression that 8472 decided to "purge" the galaxy once they realized it wasn't just the Borg coming after them but the Federation too.

Bull.
If Species 8472 were telepathically linked with Kes, then they knew from reading her mind that Voyager and others in the galaxy weren't hostile toward them. Janeway also told Kes to tell them they weren't their enemy and they meant them no harm. 8472 ignored it. Janeway did try and open up negotiations with them. First Contact was made thru Kes, not from entering their ship. It was 8472 that made assumptions, not Janeway.

Well how can I counter an arguement as eloquent as "bull"?

I'm sorry but I don't call a mental vision of the futre from Kes qualifier for first contact.

First Contact is defined by the dictionary as the first meeting of two cultures that were previously unaware of each other.

Is taking a shot at Voyager an overeaction by 8472? Sure. But what the heck did Voyager expect? Most of the species in Trek would shoot someone who goes on their ship uninvited and fire on them as they run away, then attack them again if they were seen in collaboration with their enemies. Even some of the "good" aliens like the Klingons.

8472 didn't have to be an automatic bad guy. Janeway just decided to sieze upon what she wanted, which was passage through Borg space, and screw everyone else who got in the way.

The facts within the show itself shows 8472 sending in fleets of ships into our space for a invasion well before Janeway or Voyager entered that part of space or step one foot on anybodies ship. It was the whole reason why Voyager's ideas of safe passage got ruined and Janeway was forced to make a deal with the Borg in the first place. They also made it clear that anyone that wasn't like them "threatened their genetic purity" as was to be killed. They made this decision way before encountering Janeway.