Excuse me, can no-one please respond to Kestra's posts?
I don't like her, and if I don't like someone, no-one has to talk to them.
It's cos I'm special, and I know what it's all about, you see.
Women without children
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Excuse me, can no-one please respond to Kestra's posts?
I don't like her, and if I don't like someone, no-one has to talk to them.
It's cos I'm special, and I know what it's all about, you see.
I don't think the mentality is difficult to understand, it's just difficult to agree with. Children are one of those things that really moves a person and can change your life. For people who have gone through this and have had extremely positive experiences with being a parent, they may have trouble understanding why others would choose not to have children. This may be especially strong in people who changed their own minds.
In this way it's similar to other life-changing experiences, like religion. People who push their religion on friends and family may be doing so with good intentions. If you thought you had found the most wonderful thing in the world, wouldn't you want loved ones to share in it?
Of course we know that these things are not one size fits all, but there are people out there who don't understand that.
Unless you're looking for a Warning, you'll refrain from making any more trolling comments.
Excuse me, can no-one please respond to Kestra's posts?
I don't like her, and if I don't like someone, no-one has to talk to them.
It's cos I'm special, and I know what it's all about, you see.
However I did title the thread "Women Without Children" rather than "The Australian PM Without Children". I think that this shows that I wanted to expand the topic to include views on other women who decide not to or can't have children.
For some reason many people think that my friend's life is incomplete without children and yet my brother who is as unmarried and as childless as my friend doesn't come up against the same attitude.
It's only "incomplete" if she really wanted children, the incompleteness would be something she felt, not for anyone else to feel for her.
*Head-to-desk*
Male Politicians.
If a woman has a career and no children she must be a demon from hell. It's the same everywhere.
Male Politicians.
If a woman has a career and no children she must be a demon from hell. It's the same everywhere.
I think both their lives are incomplete. I believe in equal opportunities.
I've known quite a few women who wanted children but didn't have them because they did not find a suitable partner during the right time period. I would encourage women who think this might be a likely outcome, for instance if you don't end up in relationships easily to plan to be a single parent. Make your financial and career plans while you are in your 20's with this in mind, to have a child as a single parent in your thirties. People manage to do it when it is totally unexpected so planning for it will put you ahead. If you should end up with a partner you want to have kids with your plans will still be beneficial so nothing wasted there.
It's a shame if you want children and have no apparent fertility issues to treat not having a partner as a fertility issue. Heard too many regrets from all kinds of women who never ended up in a solid relationship and feel like they missed out greatly on having a child.
It's a shame if you want children and have no apparent fertility issues to treat not having a partner as a fertility issue. Heard too many regrets from all kinds of women who never ended up in a solid relationship and feel like they missed out greatly on having a child.
He's a dick. Not the pleasing-the-women-and-maybe-the-men-if-you-are-so-inclined kind of dick. Just a dick.
Also, this.
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As the other Australians have said Latham is an idiot.
Not sure how to answer the question of a woman not having children.
Not sure how to answer the question of a woman not having children.
Then again if a male politician has no wife he must be gay. It's called the "James Buchanan syndrome".
Well, nice to see that the politicians in Oz are just as fucked up as the ones we have here in America. I'm pretty sure that by now in the early Twenty-First Century we've evolved past the idea of the spinster/old-maid stigma to attach to women who're not married and even past looking down on women who do not have children, but some people still want to live in those half-century ideals where women are nothing but baby factories and a woman without a child is like a factory that's not producing anything.
... Or something like that.
I wouldn't look down on a woman without children anymore than I'd look on a man without children, maybe she doesn't like kids, maybe she hasn't found the "right man" to have children with, maybe she knows of genetic problems in her family that she doesn't want to pass on to a child (like Huntington's) or maybe she is unable to have children. Whatever, not my problem. It's 2011, if a woman doesn't have kids it's her choice.
If you want a bit of an insight into Latham, here's a transcript when he was on Enough Rope. ER was probably the best interview show in Australia, and, possibly, the world at that time. The host, Andrew Denton, is a sharp, sharp man (fun fact: his company makes the Chaser programmes and an interesting one if you can find it, Hungry Beast).
You have to imagine Latham delivering his lines in a slightly aggrssive or belligerent tone.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1463685.htm
And why do women have to have children? Good luck to them if they don't. As long as they don't spend their later years in regret. The few I know, who are childless, seem fine with it, and they are all ages.
You have to imagine Latham delivering his lines in a slightly aggrssive or belligerent tone.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1463685.htm
And why do women have to have children? Good luck to them if they don't. As long as they don't spend their later years in regret. The few I know, who are childless, seem fine with it, and they are all ages.
I'm about to go to bed but I'm looking fwd to reading that tomorrow, it already made me laugh in the first bits. Except for the photo, I really dislike looking at that man.
(Denton on the other hand who is not pictured is hot.)
Anyway thanks for the link, I'm sure it will be very entertaining.
He made a nonsensical argument for political purposes. I really don't think his comment here is defensible.
If you're a supporter, why are you opposed to giving him airtime?
Anyway, I don't understand enough about Australian politics. As I understand it, Ms. Gillard is not extraordinarily well-liked as a Prime Minister. But I don't think whether or not she had children is a factor in this. The same criticisms seem to be used against any woman in politics, really. I'm pretty sure they've been used against Hillary Clinton and, off color jokes made by McCain aside, it's clear the reasoning of Mr. Latham does not apply.
the man is clever and rubs people the wrong way. i sympathise.
I had no idea I need any special luck to live my life just because I don't want children
How badly this kind of calculated political remark bothers someone depends on their own insecurities as much as on the insensitivity of the remark. If this guy had said the same thing about another politician concerning lack of empathy for pet owners people would be in here defending the guy.
