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Your preferred Sequel Trilogy Episode

Your preferred Sequel Trilogy Episode

  • The Force Awakens

    Votes: 13 61.9%
  • The Last Jedi

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • The Rise of Skywalker

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
TLJ's copying of ESB is way more than "a couple of shared plot points," IMO.

ESB: the rebels are holed up on a white snow planet they must escape from. The Force-using character goes to a boggy, desolate planet, where he meets a legendary Jedi Master who's a lot snarkier than he expected, and who's reluctant to train him. Eventually, however, the Jedi Master gets a pep talk from a Force Ghost, and decides to do so. The Force-using character has a disturbing vision in a Dark Side cave regarding his lineage, and runs off before his training is complete. Meanwhile, the main non-Force using character, on a small ship chased by the Empire, goes to a civilian area to meet a potential ally, who double-crosses them. But, at least the guy and woman on this mission may be falling in love? Anyhow, the Force-using character learns a devastating truth about the helmeted Sith enemy (he's his dad!), and the heroes limp away to freedom, but at least they have each other.

TLJ: The Force-using character goes to a boggy, desolate planet, where she meets a legendary Jedi Master who's a lot snarkier than he expected, and who's reluctant to train her. Eventually, however, the Jedi Master gets a pep talk from a Force Ghost, and decides to do so. The Force-using character has a disturbing vision in a Dark Side cave regarding her lineage, and runs off before her training is complete. Meanwhile, the main non-Force using character, on a small ship chased by the Empire, goes to a civilian area to meet a potential ally, who double-crosses them. But, at least the guy and woman on this mission may be falling in love? Anyhow, the Force-using character learns a devastating truth about the helmeted Sith enemy (he's beyond redemption!), and the heroes limp away to freedom, but at least they have each other.

And now, a RotJ bonus round!

RotJ: disillusioned by a secret kept by a Jedi elder (that Vader is Luke's dad), the Force-using character willingly surrenders to meet the Sith master and his apprentice, hoping to turn his apprentice back towards the Light Side. The Sith apprentice betrays and kills his master. Around this time, the surviving Jedi Master dies a peaceful death on his boggy, desolate planet.

TLJ: disillusioned by a secret kept by a Jedi elder (that Luke is partly to blame for Ben's fall to the Dark Side), the Force-using character willingly surrenders to meet the Sith master and his apprentice, hoping to turn his apprentice back towards the Light Side. The Sith apprentice betrays and kills his master. Around this time, the surviving Jedi Master dies a peaceful death on his boggy, desolate planet.

Yeahhhhhhh... that's a lot of common plot points.
Don't forget the B team not being able to go to hyperspace while being chased by the bad guys for a significant chunk of the movie, and the rebels being holed up in a base on a white-colored planet which gets attacked by walkers so they have to fight the walkers with speeders.

But the originality! The originality.
 
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The Last Jedi is blatantly repeating a lot of Empire Strikes Back (and Return of the Jedi), you don't have to convince anyone of that, it's not hidden. But the familiar roads often lead to different destinations.

Darth Vader is Luke's father.
Rey's father isn't important.

"I'll never join you!"
Rey joins Ren long enough to defeat the Emperor.

Luke gets Vader to turn.
Rey fails to turn Ren.

The guy who betrayed them becomes an ally.
Their ally ultimately betrays them.

Ghost Yoda and Obi-Wan can't be there to help the heroes.
Ghost Luke does help the heroes.

Empire ends with them splitting up to save Han
Last Jedi ends with everyone finally together

And so on.

Plus it does more with the Force, it has heroes mutinying against heroes, it's got the hyperspace collision, it has actual discussions about the failure of the Jedi and what they should do next. It does have actual new things in it.
 
The Force Awakens. Nothing could ever match the excitement during the lead up of that movie.

Overall, I found them all entertaining.
 
"I'll never join you!"
Rey joins Ren long enough to defeat the Emperor.
The similarity here would be Luke refusing to join Vader in TESB and Rey refusing to join Kylo in TLJ. ( And if we throw in Ahsoka refusing to join Maul in TCW we get a trifecta! )
 
And we know it's true because the guy tasted it and told us so.

Sadly, it turns out it was both salt and cyanide. He died an agonizing and pointless (offscreen) death moments later. :weep:



The Force Awakens. Nothing could ever match the excitement during the lead up of that movie.

Personally, as a longtime Thrawn Trilogy fan, I simply knew in my gut no new movie could possibly live up to those stories, so I wasn't particularly excited at all.



You guys just don't get how brilliant the subversion of expectation was in TLJ.

Okay, you made me repost it... :devil:

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Personally, as a longtime Thrawn Trilogy fan, I simply knew in my gut no new movie could possibly live up to those stories, so I wasn't particularly excited at all.

Kind of the problem with being a “big fan”. I feel the same way about Strange New Worlds vs. “Star Trek: Early Voyages”.
 
The Force Awakens. Nothing could ever match the excitement during the lead up of that movie.

Overall, I found them all entertaining.
I deed, yes. Entertainment was my number one goal.

No, none of them rise to the OT level. Neither did the PT. No, I didn't expect the Thrawn trilogy because Thrawn was just ok in the books.

At a certain level, I'll find the ST as decent ideas and fair execution. Given the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth I saw over the PT I'll call it a better time.
 
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