Spoilers Who is the Borg Queen?

[WarpFactorZ]

We know who the Borg Queen in the Fascist timeline is. But who is the Borg Queen that beams aboard the Enterprise? Her face isn't just obscured with that neato armour for fun. She is obviously someone close to Picard, likely from his past (hence the theme of the season). Right before the end of the destruct sequence, she says "Picard... look up.", which of course is what his mother used to say to him as a child.

So, is the Borg Queen somehow his mother? This seems a bit weird. Or did she just know to say that because of his assimilation? Discuss!

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm expecting that she's the exact same Borg Queen, with all the same memories, just like Picard is the same Picard. She may have said what she said because she has his memories after his assimilation, or because of time travel weirdness, but I don't think she's going to be anyone he knows. Those are my guesses anyway.

 

[timtonruben359]

Going on the bits we've seen in the trailer with the interaction between the "old" Borg Queen and her, I'm going to say it's Agnes.

Also, there's a shot in the trailer of Agnes and Picard entering the atrium we saw in the flashback with JL's mother which could be she comes to learn something about Picard's mother.

 

[Unicron]

Mirror Lal.

 

[shapeshifter]

"Look up" implies she is the same queen she's always been. She knows Picard from the assimilation. She somehow retains all the original queens memories or data or however it gets transfered. Hella good shield adaptation!

Although, frankly, I don't understand why we'd suspect a different queen. She has not always been the same character played by different actresses? News to me.

 

[BillJ]

This is the piece of the setup that scares me the most. See: The Red Angel.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

"Look up" implies she is the same queen she's always been.

That makes no sense. He was looking her right in the eye when she said it. The line was deliberately written that way.

When I was a boy, she would point at the night sky and say "Look up!"

Picard... Look up.

Either she's reaching deep into his past because of the shared memory from assimilation to manipulate him, or something else... (see BillJ's comment above).

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I keep thinking of a comic book villain(?) that looked identical to that getup the queen was wearing, possibly complete with tentacles. But the only one I can find is Doc Ock and I don't think it's Doc Ock.

Can anyone else think of who I'm thinking about?

 

[Verteron]

If it's Michael Burnham, I'm gonna kick a puppy

 

[F. King Daniel]

I really hope the Queen's bid for peace is legitimate. Because for it to be yet another tired plot to destroy the Federation blah blah blah yawn.

Apparently the Borg in this era are "decimated", I'm guessing by the Species 8472 war and Janeway in "Endgame"?

Whatever the reason, I love the idea of the Borg wanting to join the Federation. It's so utterly bonkers.

Plus, it explains the Borg children in Federation school in the Lower Decks far future!

 

[Verteron]

It doesn't seem like it could ever work, honestly. The Federation is based on freedom and self-determination. The Borg are the polar opposite. Why would the Federation admit a civilisation that is potentially holding billions (or trillions) of individuals hostage, against their will, in the collective? Are they going to grant every drone a choice to remain in the collective or not?

Peace may be possible. Guinan said that when we first met them in Q Who.

But membership, no.

 

[comsol]

If it's Michael Burnham, I'm gonna kick a puppy

Needs more crying.

 

[shapeshifter]

Peace? I thought it was a trap to kill Picard.

I am thinking she was not suicidal there.

She blew up the ship but she survived in the new adapting amour. And she don't know Q saved Picard literally at the last second. Boy, is she in for a shock, someday....

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Picard has done something in the present to change the past which I think was killing this new Queen who I think was trying to access the SF ships to prevent something. The new Queen I think will be 7 who will need to reintegrate herself with the Borg to travel through time to fix what happened.

 

[Tuskin38]

Needs more crying.

Oh give it a rest. She hasn’t cried at all in season 4

 

[NCC-73515]

The hidden face suggests a big surprise. These are not quite the Borg we know...

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

 

[dupersuper]

I really hope the Queen's bid for peace is legitimate.

The peaceful relationship we see the Federation have with the Borg in Lower Decks and Star Trek Online could start here...

It doesn't seem like it could ever work, honestly. The Federation is based on freedom and self-determination. The Borg are the polar opposite. Why would the Federation admit a civilisation that is potentially holding billions (or trillions) of individuals hostage, against their will, in the collective? Are they going to grant every drone a choice to remain in the collective or not?

Peace may be possible. Guinan said that when we first met them in Q Who.

But membership, no.

Aren't the Bynars Federation members? Do they all get a choice on whether to be connected to a computer?

 

[Timofnine]

Maybe it’s Wesley Crusher, Seven of Nine, or the actual Borg Queen we meet in later episodes unassimilated? Or Michael Burnham/her mum?

 

[Gov Kodos]

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