What's upcoming? I'm a little out of the loop.

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Discovery, Shorts, Picard, Lower Decks: all cancelled.
Is the Lower Decks ending final yet?
Is there a chance of a network pick up like Prodigy got?
Prodigy: any news on Netflix going for S3?
SNW: renewed for S3-4, yes?

We're supposed to get a Disco-era (as in distant future) Starfleet Academy show, yes? Why?
I read today that the new Section 31 TV movie comes out just after New Year's.
I'm more excited to see the Rachell Garrett pre-Ent-C more than the title character.

Anything else in development?

 

[fireproof78]

Is the Lower Decks ending final yet?

Yes.

We're supposed to get a Disco-era (as in distant future) Starfleet Academy show, yes? Why?

For young people.

Anything else in development?

Tawny Newsome is working on a sitcom idea

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I really hope more effort goes into the academy show than high school drama. It can't "just" be college kids going to school. There needs to be plot, like a conspiracy, the school janitor is secretly the Borg King, the Vadiian phage is back, literally anything. It cannot be WB-era high school in space.

Ya know what made Roswell work? High school and being teenagers was the starting point. What the show was actually about was aliens, "alien hunters," identity, finding answers, knowing what to let go of looking for answers and being happy with what you have, that looking over your shoulder paranoia, literally anyone could be an alien or alien hunter. The show was bonkers.

A sitcom could work, but it can't just be people sitting and standing around with one-liners like Big Bank Theory or most post-2000 sitcoms. The 90's had some of the best, because it was almost like theater, people were not afraid to hurt themselves from overacting, and people were willing to trash the set for good laughs. Man, I miss 90's sitcoms.

 

[fireproof78]

I really hope more effort goes into the academy show than high school drama. It can't "just" be college kids going to school. There needs to be plot, like a conspiracy, the school janitor is secretly the Borg King, the Vadiian phage is back, literally anything. It cannot be WB-era high school in space.

Ya know what made Roswell work? High school and being teenagers was the starting point. What the show was actually about was aliens, "alien hunters," identity, finding answers, knowing what to let go of looking for answers and being happy with what you have, that looking over your shoulder paranoia, literally anyone could be an alien or alien hunter. The show was bonkers.

A sitcom could work, but it can't just be people sitting and standing around with one-liners like Big Bank Theory or most post-2000 sitcoms. The 90's had some of the best, because it was almost like theater, people were not afraid to hurt themselves from overacting, and people were willing to trash the set for good laughs. Man, I miss 90's sitcoms.

I swear I'm the only one who enjoys school based dramas. I have wanted to attend an Academy like Starfleet Academy since I was in 6th grade and read Space Cadet and shirt stories in school.


Looking forward to it with an experience I craved.

And I think a sitcom styled like Brooklyn 99, or Animal Control. Even the older Night Court fits that mold. I think Newsome has a good grasp and will do well.


Or not and I'll move on.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I swear I'm the only one who enjoys school based dramas. I have wanted to attend an Academy like Starfleet Academy since I was in 6th grade and read Space Cadet and shirt stories in school.


Looking forward to it with an experience I craved.

And I think a sitcom styled like Brooklyn 99, or Animal Control. Even the older Night Court fits that mold. I think Newsome has a good grasp and will do well.


Or not and I'll move on.

I'm not against "school based" dramas. I love Roswell, the 1999-02 series. However, that's probably the only one I watched start to finish, to be honest. I was there for all of the alien conspiracy stuff, and because I liked the cast. haha Like I said, I can be down for a Starfleet Academy show, but it can't "just" be college kids in space school. There needs to be a plot, otherwise it's Seinfeld in space.

I don't watch modern sitcoms, none of them make me laugh. The last legitimately funny sitcoms I've seen have been Malcolm in the Middle and the US version of The Office.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery, Shorts, Picard, Lower Decks: all cancelled.

Yes.

Well shorts wasn't cancelled, they just haven't made any more. It wasn't a typical TV show type of thing.

Is there a chance of a network pick up like Prodigy got?

We don't know

Prodigy: any news on Netflix going for S3?

No

SNW: renewed for S3-4, yes?

Yes. Season 3 finished filming in May, Season 4 filming starts in early 2025. No release date for Season 3 yet.

There needs to be a plot

There is one. We know there's an antagonist at least.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not against "school based" dramas. I love Roswell, the 1999-02 series. However, that's probably the only one I watched start to finish, to be honest. I was there for all of the alien conspiracy stuff, and because I liked the cast. haha Like I said, I can be down for a Starfleet Academy show, but it can't "just" be college kids in space school. There needs to be a plot, otherwise it's Seinfeld in space.

I don't watch modern sitcoms, none of them make me laugh. The last legitimately funny sitcoms I've seen have been Malcolm in the Middle and the US version of The Office.

To each their own.

I love school in space and hopefully they'll draw on Space Cadet, Space Camp and such for inspiration.

I don't laugh at the Office but regularly quote Brooklyn 99, Animal Control and Night Court.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

To each their own.

I love school in space and hopefully they'll draw on Space Cadet, Space Camp and such for inspiration.

I don't laugh at the Office but regularly quote Brooklyn 99, Animal Control and Night Court.

I don't mind "space school" as a central setting, I just don't want that to "also" be the central plot. Does that make sense? Like Roswell (1999) has teenagers as main characters, and they are in High School. However, the show isn't about them going to school. It's about the alien secret, finding answers to where they came from, protecting themselves from the FBI alien hunters, aliens where they came from, and trying to move on from all of that and start normal adult lives. It's a great series.

The sitcoms I like are I Love Lucy, The Jeffersons, Cheers, Frasier (1993), Home Improvement, Mad About You, Malcolm in the Middle, The Office. It's less the premise and more the comedy factor. The people who worked on those shows tried their absolute hardest to make the audience laugh, and for me, they succeeded!!! I'm down for a ST sitcom - if it's funny.

 

[fireproof78]

don't mind "space school" as a central setting, I just don't want that to "also" be the central plot. Does that make sense?

It does. It's why I reference Space Cadet. It's not just school.

The sitcoms I like are I Love Lucy, The Jeffersons, Cheers, Frasier (1993), Home Improvement, Mad About You, Malcolm in the Middle, The Office. It's less the premise and more the comedy factor. The people who worked on those shows tried their absolute hardest to make the audience laugh, and for me, they succeeded!!! I'm down for a ST sitcom - if it's funny.

I like those too and current comedies. But, humor being subjective mean it's harder to nail down what will cause a humorous reaction.

But, I'm an odd duck. I love the Marx Brothers, Monty Python, Three Stooges, as well as Young Frankenstein, I love Lucy, Home Improvement, Night Court, and more.


Comedy isn't one size fits all to me

 

[Lord Garth]

I really hope more effort goes into the academy show than high school drama. It can't "just" be college kids going to school. There needs to be plot, like a conspiracy, the school janitor is secretly the Borg King, the Vadiian phage is back, literally anything. It cannot be WB-era high school in space.

The cadets will make or break SFA for me. If I like them, I'll stick around. If I don't, then everything else won't be enough to keep me. The biggest We Shall See.

I'm super-excited about S31. As much as I like S3-S5 or DSC, I'm looking forward to something that feels more like S1 or S2 with this. I actually like Georgiou. I'm interested to see Garrett too.

As far as the trailer for S31, unlike other people, I won't make a big deal out of it. The whole point of it was to say -- to quote someone else, I can't remember who -- "This isn't your nerd's Star Trek!" They're trying to rope in Michelle Yeoh fans, not necessarily Star Trek fans with that trailer. So, I get it. And I enjoyed the trailer anyway. I'll judge the product itself when I'm actually watching it.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

It does. It's why I reference Space Cadet. It's not just school.



I like those too and current comedies. But, humor being subjective mean it's harder to nail down what will cause a humorous reaction.

But, I'm an odd duck. I love the Marx Brothers, Monty Python, Three Stooges, as well as Young Frankenstein, I love Lucy, Home Improvement, Night Court, and more.


Comedy isn't one size fits all to me

#1 Space Cadet - is this a film or series?

#2 I don't think sitcoms are too subjective, I think if something's really truly funny, it'll be universally funny. The examples you gave are all great examples of brilliant comedy. Not all of them are ones I personally like, but I'll absolutely acknowledge that they'll make me laugh if I sit down to watch. Good choices.

True, comedy isn't one size fits all, I think some are and some are not. It depends on the show or film.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

The cadets will make or break SFA for me. If I like them, I'll stick around. If I don't, then everything else won't be enough to keep me. The biggest We Shall See.

I'm super-excited about S31. As much as I like S3-S5 or DSC, I'm looking forward to something that feels more like S1 or S2 with this. I actually like Georgiou. I'm interested to see Garrett too.

As far as the trailer for S31, unlike other people, I won't make a big deal out of it. The whole point of it was to say -- to quote someone else, I can't remember who -- "This isn't your nerd's Star Trek!" They're trying to rope in Michelle Yeoh fans, not necessarily Star Trek fans with that trailer. So, I get it. And I enjoyed the trailer anyway. I'll judge the product itself when I'm actually watching it.

#1 For me, that's a golden rule for any TV show. If the cast doesn't draw me in, I bail. However, the cast isn't enough if I "do" like them. There needs to be plot. I don't really do "relationship" shows, not really. There's two exceptions: Roswell (1999) and Everwood, but that's about it. My family fell apart in 2002, so those two shows got me through some hard times.

#2 Regarding S31, aren't Trekkies always hating new Star Trek? I like that it's basically a spy movie about dysfunctional spies set in "the lost era" between TOS and TNG. I'm game!

 

[fireproof78]

1 Space Cadet - is this a film or series?

Try a book.

don't think sitcoms are too subjective, I think if something's really truly funny, it'll be universally funny

Oh, definitely not in my experience. Comedy is highly subjective.

something's really truly funny, it'll be universally funny. The examples you gave are all great examples of brilliant comedy.

I wouldn't call all of them brilliant. And certainly I know people who don't like them out all.

IDIC.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Try a book.


Oh, definitely not in my experience. Comedy is highly subjective.
I wouldn't call all of them brilliant. And certainly I know people who don't like them out all.

IDIC.

Space Cadet, what was the plot, or the conflict that created danger and tension in the book?

When I say comedy can be universally funny, what I mean is... say there's a popular 90's family sitcom. Let's say you or I do not like "90's family sitcoms," just not our thing. Now let's take a scene from "Family Matters" where Steve Urkel (nerdy neighbor) complete destroys the kitchen with a failed invention while the actor playing Steve is overacting trying to "stop" the failed invention. The family dad (Carl Winslow) is just standing there completely horrified. Steve, "Did I do that?" (with the "I" dragged out long and hard) Carl, "Come here Steve. Where are you going? Come here, Steve." Carl slowly approaches Steve, Steve screams and runs. Carl moves fast despite being fat. You might not like the show, but the scene can be absolutely hilarious evne if you don't care for the show.

There's a reason why you'll see clips of movies or TV shows on YouTube, and in the comments, people are still LOL'ing despite not having scene the actual show or film the clip is from.

Universally funny doesn't mean funny for literally everyone, but rather funny for the majority if that helps explain what I tried to convey.

Since we're taking sitcoms specifically, because there might be a "Star Trek" sitcom, may I ask what your #1 favorite sitcom is? Mine is a tie between The Jeffersons and Frasier (the 90's show, not the new one).

 

[fireproof78]

Since we're taking sitcoms specifically, because there might be a "Star Trek" sitcom, may I ask what your #1 favorite sitcom is? Mine is a tie between The Jeffersons and Frasier (the 90's show, not the new one).

Tied between MASH and Night Court.

Carl slowly approaches Steve, Steve screams and runs. Carl moves fast despite being fat. You might not like the show, but the scene can be absolutely hilarious evne if you don't care for the show.

Not in my experience.

Space Cadet, what was the plot, or the conflict that created danger and tension in the book?

It starts out with interpersonal conflict as Matt struggles with feeling not belonging then not belonging with his family. Then assigned to an apprentice cruise and ends up stranded with himself, two other cadets and a wounded officer.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Tied between MASH and Night Court.

Not in my experience.



It starts out with interpersonal conflict as Matt struggles with feeling not belonging then not belonging with his family. Then assigned to an apprentice cruise and ends up stranded with himself, two other cadets and a wounded officer.

I couldn't get into MASH, I got bored too quickly, but I do respect it has a massive audience of fans.
I loved Night Court, used to watch that often as a kid. Great acting, great comedy.
The book sounds great, but it feels like it's more of young adult audience, or am I misreading?

For this upcoming Starfleet Academy show to appeal to the Trekkies and newcomers, it needs to be more than space college. What will appeal to a Trekkie who's been watching Disco, Pic, and SNW? What will appeal to newcomers? I'm not a TV producer, so I cannot answer to that, but it's got to be more than just relationship driven.

 

[fireproof78]

What will appeal to a Trekkie who's been watching Disco, Pic, and SNW?

A dream come true for this Trek fan.

book sounds great, but it feels like it's more of young adult audience, or am I misreading?

Part of Heinlein's young adult series.

but it's got to be more than just relationship driven.

Sufficient for me. Characters and relationships drive my interest in stories. Mile will obviously vary.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

A dream come true for this Trek fan.


Part of Heinlein's young adult series.


Sufficient for me. Characters and relationships drive my interest in stories. Mile will obviously vary.

Are you referring to these books? Just to be clear, I'm not against young-adult fiction. There's a time and place for it. Some of my favorite films were made for kids. I love Roswell, the 1999 series. Surface (a short-lived 2005 series) had a B-plot dealing with a teenager, his family, and his best friend. There's a time and place for fiction aimed at kids, teens, and young adults, and if done right, adults can enjoy it too, depending on the story. Movies and series can be more accessible to adults, because it can be a shared viewing experience with family and/or friends.

The problem with Starfleet Academy is that "Star Trek" is not a young-adult fiction franchise. It's always been very high-brow (except maybe the cartoons) and aimed at a sophisticated audience. That audience isn't going to tune into space school drama if it's just relationship drama. It'll be one of those cancelled one-season shows. I want Star Trek to be good, and I want to see new ideas tried out. But we gotta keep it aimed at the grownups, otherwise people just aren't going to watch. Most of the "young adult" audience aren't going to be watching, they will be doing social media and video games.

 

[fireproof78]

The problem with Starfleet Academy is that "Star Trek" is not a young-adult fiction franchise. It's always been very high-brow (except maybe the cartoons) and aimed at a sophisticated audience.

I'll take unsophisticated.


If Trek is "high brow" then I guess I watch it for the wrong reasons.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The problem with Starfleet Academy is that "Star Trek" is not a young-adult fiction franchise. It's always been very high-brow (except maybe the cartoons) and aimed at a sophisticated audience.

Right now the cartoons have more sophisticated storytelling than the live-action shows... though high-brow probably isn't the right word for them. We could do with a little bit of both really, and I'm not sure this will be the series to give us that.

The trouble I've always had with the idea of Starfleet Academy is that it doesn't seem like much of a story generator. You can tell a million stories about a ship flying off into adventure, or an alien genius with a time machine that takes him into danger, or FBI agents assigned to the weirdest cases, but on its own an academy isn't a particularly exciting place. It seems like the writers would have to contrive reasons to put the students in jeopardy over and over again.