What Would It Take For You To Go Vegan? And If You Won't, Why Won't You?

[JD]

Oh yeah, vegans still shear the sheep for their own comfort, but we just don't use the wool. Most of the sanctuaries just leave it out for birds to use in their nests or things like that.

Someone mentioned wool earlier, see I wouldn't know if you can or can't wear wool clothes etc as the animal is not killed in the process. Things like that I'm not sure about, but cutting out meat from my diet I could do I think.

No wool, dairy, or honey or any animal products at all for vegans, if you just don't eat meat your vegetarian. For vegans it's not about using or exploiting animals in any way.

No way, vegans never do that

Nothing could make me go vegan. Saying that I have vegetarian meals a few times a week and enjoy that very much but there's just nothing like putting a big tomahawk on the charcoal grill or some baby back ribs on the smoker. The process, the flavors, the textures, it's all quite wonderful

But if you could get all of that as a vegan would that make a difference? I just had some Beyond Burgers last week, and they really weren't that different from a regular burger. Same goes for the Gardein Plant Based "Chicken" Tenders I had yesterday, and the sandwich I had today that I made with Tofurky, and Veganaise.

I won't ever become a vegan, humans are omnivores not herbivores, as mentioned above, only in first world countries you could obtain all the extra stuff you need to prevent yourself from getting sick.
Do I agree that most humans in first world countries eat too much meat? Yes, I do, I cut down on it here and there.

So now to throw in a neat one, laboratory grown meat, would a vegan accept that? No animals used in it so...

I've often wondered about the lab grown meat, technically they did harvest the cells used for it from animals, so I'm really not sure if it would actually be vegan.

 

[Santaman]

I am pretty curious how it will develop, would solve a fair amount of problems, I think it will probably end up a big provider of proteine without actually having the need for keeping the actual animals.

 

[Relayer1]

I know I’m a monster, but I like meat.

So do I. I absolutely love it. It's delicious.

Haven't eaten it since the mid 1980's though.

 

[BillJ]

Haven't eaten it since the mid 1980's though.

That is your personal choice, and I respect it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Oh yeah, vegans still shear the sheep for their own comfort, but we just don't use the wool. Most of the sanctuaries just leave it out for birds to use in their nests or things like that.

Once the sheep's been shorn - for whatever reason - does it really even MATTER what you do with the wool?

I mean, you admitted that you shear the sheep for the sole purpose of their own comfort. Logically speaking, then, why is it even relevant what you do with the wool afterward? It's already been cut, so it might as well serve some use, shouldn't it?

You didn't shear the sheep TO make a sweater, but if it ends up making a sweater anyway, why is that a problem?

 

[Orphalesion]

I don't want to. Easy as that.
That being said I hardly eat any meat (I actually eat a lot of the vegan alternatives to meat) The only meat I eat with any regularity is fish. I would also really like it if insect meat would finally become a viable alternative.
However I do like eggs and milk products, and I'm not giving those up to become vegan.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

All this talk about sheep reminds me of a Bob Rivers song.

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[JD]

Once the sheep's been shorn - for whatever reason - does it really even MATTER what you do with the wool?

I mean, you admitted that you shear the sheep for the sole purpose of their own comfort. Logically speaking, then, why is it even relevant what you do with the wool afterward? It's already been cut, so it might as well serve some use, shouldn't it?

You didn't shear the sheep TO make a sweater, but if it ends up making a sweater anyway, why is that a problem?

To the best of our abilities, vegans do not use anything that comes from animals. It's about using and exploiting them.

 

[Laughing Dragon]

I don't want to. Easy as that.
That being said I hardly eat any meat (I actually eat a lot of the vegan alternatives to meat) The only meat I eat with any regularity is fish. I would also really like it if insect meat would finally become a viable alternative.
However I do like eggs and milk products, and I'm not giving those up to become vegan.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It's about using and exploiting them.

But that's not what you DID. You shore the sheep for their own comfort. That is literally the only reason you did it. You said so yourself. Therefore, your conscience is clear.

Whatever the reason you shore the sheep, the wool is still there. You have to do something with it. You wouldn't just throw it in the trash - that would be a waste. So therefore, logically, why does it matter what eventually happens to the wool? SOMETHING has to be done with it - wouldn't it be better if it served a logical purpose? Even if it's a ing sweater?

And it's not like the SHEEP was too terribly inconvenienced, innit? You think the sheep cares why you shore it, or what you do with the wool afterwards? Nah, they'd be like "Hey, nice breeze! Thanks!"

 

[Orphalesion]

But see, it doesn't have to look that way. You can also grind up the insects and give the meat a similar appearance to, for example, burger patties. I think non-bovious insect meat (as in food where don't see the actual bodies of the insects anymore) has a higher chance to succeed.

 

[fireproof78]

But that's not what you DID. You shore the sheep for their own comfort. That is literally the only reason you did it. You said so yourself. Therefore, your conscience is clear.

Whatever the reason you shore the sheep, the wool is still there. You have to do something with it. You wouldn't just throw it in the trash - that would be a waste. So therefore, logically, why does it matter what eventually happens to the wool? SOMETHING has to be done with it - wouldn't it be better if it served a logical purpose? Even if it's a ing sweater?

And it's not like the SHEEP was too terribly inconvenienced, innit? You think the sheep cares why you shore it, or what you do with the wool afterwards? Nah, they'd be like "Hey, nice breeze! Thanks!"

Yeah, the whole not using any animal products is so strange to me.

Like, other animals use other animals, and we have examples in nature. Hell, talking about wool it's like "well the birds can take it and use it?" Well, why can't humans take it and use it?

It's just baffling to me at this point. Never mind the whole dietary thing that humans benefit from a mixed diet.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I've had those! In Seattle, at a Mariners game.

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They were delicious, although I wouldn't do it again because they are also expensive and you don't get much.

And they are EXTREMELY spicy. I was actually jumping up and down on the concourse, in the ballpark, going "I NEED A BEER!"

 

[JD]

But that's not what you DID. You shore the sheep for their own comfort. That is literally the only reason you did it. You said so yourself. Therefore, your conscience is clear.

Whatever the reason you shore the sheep, the wool is still there. You have to do something with it. You wouldn't just throw it in the trash - that would be a waste. So therefore, logically, why does it matter what eventually happens to the wool? SOMETHING has to be done with it - wouldn't it be better if it served a logical purpose? Even if it's a ing sweater?

And it's not like the SHEEP was too terribly inconvenienced, innit? You think the sheep cares why you shore it, or what you do with the wool afterwards? Nah, they'd be like "Hey, nice breeze! Thanks!"

Yeah, the whole not using any animal products is so strange to me.

Like, other animals use other animals, and we have examples in nature. Hell, talking about wool it's like "well the birds can take it and use it?" Well, why can't humans take it and use it?

It's just baffling to me at this point. Never mind the whole dietary thing that humans benefit from a mixed diet.

Honestly, I wouldn't be that bothered if they did use the wool since we would know that the sheep were treated well. Some of it might also because they use making this with their wool as contributing to an industry that uses and abuses the sheep, even if they themselves aren't. I'm not them, and I don't have sheep, so this would just be my guess.
For me, not using animal product comes down to the fact that in most of the industries that use them the animals are treated horribly, even in the industries where they aren't killed, they're pretty consistently abused and neglected and I don't want to benefit from that.
And I know other animals use each other, but that's because they don't know any other way. We know that we can get most of the stuff we get from animals in other ways that don't involve the death or abuse of other living things, and if I choose to get it that way I always will. Now obviously if I lived in a place or time where that was not an option, I would not be vegan, but since I have the option to be, I am.
Now, I'm not as totally hardcore as some people are, for instance I don't have a problem with things like horseback riding or zoos. I know a lot really nice horseback riders, who treat their horses really well, and as long the horses are treated well I'm with fine with them being ridden.
As for zoos, a lot of them are now starting to treat the animals better, and try make them happier and more comfortable, and I do think letting people see them first hand will do a lot to make them care about them more. And a lot of them also do a lot to help with conservation and education.

 

[fireproof78]

For me, not using animal product comes down to the fact that in most of the industries that use them the animals are treated horribly, even in the industries where they aren't killed, they're pretty consistently abused and neglected and I don't want to benefit from that.

So, if I raise my own animals, sheer them and use them that's totally vegan?

Because I think there is an argument to be made for smaller, self-sustaining (ish) farms to help people out and be better stewards of their stuff, rather than relying on larger industries for everything.

 

[JD]

No it's not, vegans cannot use animals in any way. The whole philosophy behind veganism is that you do not use animals at all.
I'm just more forgiving than a lot of vegans, as long as the animals are treated well.

 

[fireproof78]

No it's not, vegans cannot use animals in any way. The whole philosophy behind veganism is that you do not use animals at all.
I'm just more forgiving than a lot of vegans, as long as the animals are treated well.

Well, I appreciate your explanation and I'll still hard pass.

To me that's excessive and insisting upon making your life harder, and using more industrialization for your needs.

 

[JD]

It's a personal choice, and I'm not going to be mad or shame anyone for not making the same choice I do. Would I love to see more people vegan? Sure, but I'm not going to try to force it on anyone.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No it's not, vegans cannot use animals in any way. The whole philosophy behind veganism is that you do not use animals at all.

For the hundredth time, that's not what you're doing.

You said it yourself: You shear the sheep for their own comfort. You are not using them, you are not exploiting them, you are doing what you believe is in the animals' best interest.

And given this, now that you have a lot of wool that could be very useful, you are free to do whatever you want with it. You GOT the wool through purely legitimate means. That releases you from all blame.

Hell, you COULD throw the wool away if you want...but as I said, that would be a waste.

 

[JD]

But it comes from them, and in the minds of people like the ones who run the sanctuaries, by using it, you are exploiting them.