JamesSmith
Lieutenant Commander
what if the Enterprise-D was destroyed during early season six, but luckily all of her crewmembers escaped in escape pods and shuttlecrafts? Then the crew will have the Sovereign class Enterprise-E very earlier.
what if the Enterprise-D was destroyed during early season six?
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What would have happened?
Well we would have had two two years of a CGI eye sore, TPTB most likely would have still gotten tired of it, and by FC we would have gotten the E-F, with F meaning fail.
One of the biggest things TOS and TNG got right was that the 1701 was one of the main charactors. The thing the TOS movies got right was if she had to be sacrificied, they replaced her with a duplicate..."My friends..we've come home." The TNG movies introduced Ent-D's ugly offspring and there was nothing to vest the audience to it. Other than being named Enterprise with the 1701 registry, it was just some now 'Kewl' CGI ship. No heart. They didn't, but I wish they would have just left well enough a lone and stuck with the E-D for the movies.
Just my $.02
Well we would have had two two years of a CGI eye sore, TPTB most likely would have still gotten tired of it, and by FC we would have gotten the E-F, with F meaning fail.
One of the biggest things TOS and TNG got right was that the 1701 was one of the main charactors. The thing the TOS movies got right was if she had to be sacrificied, they replaced her with a duplicate..."My friends..we've come home." The TNG movies introduced Ent-D's ugly offspring and there was nothing to vest the audience to it. Other than being named Enterprise with the 1701 registry, it was just some now 'Kewl' CGI ship. No heart. They didn't, but I wish they would have just left well enough a lone and stuck with the E-D for the movies.
Just my $.02
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
I don't mind the OP's idea, but I always felt a little sad that the D was lost so young.
I mean I remember before TNG started they said this new, larger Galaxy class would be a kind of ship that would, with refits, last up to 100 years.
So it getting "old" at 7 years is sad.
I mean I remember before TNG started they said this new, larger Galaxy class would be a kind of ship that would, with refits, last up to 100 years.
So it getting "old" at 7 years is sad.
I believe we would have got another Galaxy-class Enterprise-E within six or eight episodes. It would either have been a renamed existing Galaxy-class vessel or one commissioned after the Enterprise-D.
They (the art department) would have changed the interior to reflect that it was a different ship, but the exterior would have been the same (it would allow the show to continue to use stock footage of the Enterprise-D, since the hull registry tends to be difficult to see in all but close-up shots).
They (the art department) would have changed the interior to reflect that it was a different ship, but the exterior would have been the same (it would allow the show to continue to use stock footage of the Enterprise-D, since the hull registry tends to be difficult to see in all but close-up shots).
I think First Contact would have made more of an impact if it wasn't the first time we had seen the Enterprise-E. Like someone said before, the Enterprise-D was like a character. I grew up on Star Trek: TNG, so in many ways I grew up on the Enterprise-D. To see it being turned into a Borg Ship would have been a lot more devestating. To me and the crew.
I agree with C_Miller and with all the other Ent-D fans here. The loss of the Enterprise-D was a bad call in my opinion as well. It's not that I don't like the E, but the D would have made a much deeper impact because, just like the original 1701, it had already become a stand-alone character in the Trek universe. For people like me who grew up on TNG, it was just as emblematic for Star Trek as I assume the 1701 was for those who were around for TOS. I mean, I had feelings for that ship...
To see it destroyed in the very first movie was rather traumatic. They should have done the same thing they did with the TOS Enterprise, replace it with a similar ship.
To see it destroyed in the very first movie was rather traumatic. They should have done the same thing they did with the TOS Enterprise, replace it with a similar ship.
I'm not certain whether tptb would invest money into build new sets for a show that they were planning on wrapping up within two years.
I'd see it as a waste of money, especially because DS9 was in the process of premiering on television that same very year (new sets, costumes, et. al).
Well then it wouldnt have been as awesome as the enterprise in "All Good Things". Specifically the cloaking device and body upgrades.
Firstly, I love the Ent-D, it's my favorite Enterprise. What can I say I like a lady with nice contours...
But, I think having the crash landing/destruction in the TV series would have been FAR preferable to what happened in GEN. If it happened on TV, they could have spent a lot more time on it, a whole two or three or even four-parter on the whole arc of it. It would have been a much more satisfying story that way, and would have honored the ship as well as giving the series a huge, bold, boost in its storytelling.
However I think the best place to do that would have been just prior to AGT. It would have given S7 a real shot in the arm! (though I like S7 as it is) The AGT story still would have worked with Picard not starting out on the D, plus we would have gotten to see her again right after losing her, adding a whole dimension of emotion to that.
Then we would have had parallel ship christenings in GEN, which also would have been cool, the B and the E in their respective timelines.
So yeah, picture this: Preemptive Strike ---> multiparter (probably w/Marqui) with destruction of Enterprise (imagine Ro involved with that..good stuff) ---> All Good Things.
But, I think having the crash landing/destruction in the TV series would have been FAR preferable to what happened in GEN. If it happened on TV, they could have spent a lot more time on it, a whole two or three or even four-parter on the whole arc of it. It would have been a much more satisfying story that way, and would have honored the ship as well as giving the series a huge, bold, boost in its storytelling.
However I think the best place to do that would have been just prior to AGT. It would have given S7 a real shot in the arm! (though I like S7 as it is) The AGT story still would have worked with Picard not starting out on the D, plus we would have gotten to see her again right after losing her, adding a whole dimension of emotion to that.
Then we would have had parallel ship christenings in GEN, which also would have been cool, the B and the E in their respective timelines.
So yeah, picture this: Preemptive Strike ---> multiparter (probably w/Marqui) with destruction of Enterprise (imagine Ro involved with that..good stuff) ---> All Good Things.
That could have been very interesting, seeing real reactions to the loss of the ship, such as Picard's court martial hearing. We also could have seen the command staff separated and reassigned, see how they would deal with that after having been mostly stable for 7 years.
The AGT story would have needed some rewriting, because this idea would've precluded an Enterprise-D in the anti-time future.
It's Maquis, not "Marqui."
I agree. I don't like the sovereign class at all. I love the Galaxy class. However, I don't think the galaxy looked as good on the big screen as it does on tv. Whereas despite it being an ugly duckling the sovereign class did suit the big screen.
If the galaxy had been destroyed then they would have made a new galaxy class. Or perhaps saved the saucer section and made a new star drive section. Defiant got an identical replacement. 1701 got an identical replacement.
Saquist
Commodore
No, they likely would have gotten another Galaxy.
The Sovereign was pretty much a failure from what I understand...put in moth balls...application of ablative armor wasn't successful on such a large ship, low warp speed, the complete weapons refit necessary...
Sovereign is a design disaster. It wasn't a suitable successor to the Galaxy.
Flashover
Lieutenant Commander
Saquist
Commodore
Not all of what I posted was canon.
Sovereign in mothballs:
This is stated in the Game Bridge Commander.
The vessel was part of the same project as the Defiant and Prometheus. Sovereign was part of the "new class" or new fleet of ships aimed at replacing the aging Fleet.
The refit was canon by model change alone, never explicitly stated.
The low warp speed of Sovereign is observed by logical deduction in Nemesis...
Two experimental ships, Scimitar and Sovereign class Enterprise have an encounter.
Shinzon knows he can out run the Enterprise
Picard knows the Scimitar can out run the Enterprise.
-This means that Sovereign is not boasting a faster than normal top speed. aka 9.6 +
-In the Past Warbirds top speed was warp 9 with 9.6 damaging the engines. It's possible they have exceeded warp 9.6 with the 3 Singularity Cores to stabalize the ships SIF as well as maintaing power for speed and cloak. Essentially a core for each system. If this was the case then it would be much like a borg cube just funneling power enmass instead of using power efficient methods, like hull geometry for stable fields.
There has been a lot of speculation concerning the Sovereigns engine allow primarily no damage to the space/time fabric like previous engines...which means it may be more efficent but less effective at max warp.
-Sovereign's weapons shortcommings were obvious before the refit.
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