Weyoun 8 the last clone????

[Nick086]

Damar and his forces attack and destroy the cloning facilities. Weyoun was shot and killed by Garak. The Female Changlin stated he was the last of his kind. Couldn't they make more Weyouns in the Gamma Quadrant?

 

[eastman23]

/\ Probably, but the wormhole was pretty much off-limits to the Dominion after they lost their fleet in there in "Sacrifice of Angels". So as far as the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant was concerned, there would be no more Weyouns.

Either that or there could be a limit on how many clones they can make of a Vorta.

 

[Sec31Mike]

If they hade a base DNA sample to work from and ALWAYS used a copy of the original the clones wouldn't have any genetic drift, so they would always be stable.

Serial cloning, where you clone the clone introduces genetic drift in increasing quantities reducing the stability of each subsequent clone.

I would imagine the Dominion using the better method.

 

[DS9Continuing]

In the novels following the series, there is indeed a Weyoun 9. So the Founder was just being specific to the Alpha Quadrant, seeing as at that moment she had no expectation of ever going back to the Link.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It's not very plausible the Dominion would be so careless not to have Weyoun-DNA stored in the GQ. The "last clone" thing was just to make Weyoun's death in the TV series seem final.

 

[toughlittleship]

In the novels, Odo had a new Weyoun created to see if he would be like the one who tried to defect in "Treachery, Faith and the Great River".

 

[Yassim]

But is having stored DNA enough? Each Weyoun seems to come back with the memories of the previous ones... which might require the previous corpse.

Or maybe he didn't keep the memories...

Or maybe it's just a TV show...

 

[od0_ital]

Yassim said:
But is having stored DNA enough? Each Weyoun seems to come back with the memories of the previous ones... which might require the previous corpse...

There wasn't a corpse available at the end of 'To the Death', ya know.

 

[Hofner]

od0_ital said:

Yassim said:
But is having stored DNA enough? Each Weyoun seems to come back with the memories of the previous ones... which might require the previous corpse...

There wasn't a corpse available at the end of 'To the Death', ya know.

Very true. But it DID seem like the later Weyouns would have previous memories. I can't remember; did the next Weyoun seem to know anybody like Sisko or Odo?

Robert

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

The 8th Weyoun in the Alpha Quadrant would be the last to have the experiences of the Weyouns who waged war against the Federation. I'm certain there would have been Weyoun genes of the line that originated in the Gamma Quadrant in some facility or another. Those experiences would have made him as unique an individual and you or I and our individual experiences. However, every Vorta was a servant of the founders and only had as much individual personality as the Founders would have seen fit to program into its genetic makeup to fulfill the tasks it was meant to.

 

[Hofner]

Another intriguing thing is when the Female Founder ordered Weyoun to destroy the Vorta scientists working on the cure for the changeling disease and 'cook' up a new batch of Vorta scientists. They're either born with the scientific knowledge or learn VERY fast.

Uh oh, dare I post this? Why not!

Weyoun 8: The new batch of Vorta scientists are ready to go into the lab to work on the cure.

Female Founder: Send in the clones.

Robert

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

Exactly. Same Vorta, but with fresh minds and no preconceptions working on the problem. Basic stock. The Weyouns were clones of the previous Weyoun. Although Weyoun 7 wasn't a clone of Weyoun 6. More probably a clone of Weyoun 5.

 

[Navaros]

In my view the female Founder had clearly gone completely insane as of WYLB as evidenced by her surrendering for no reason. I view her Weyoun statement as just another byproduct of this insanity. No way he was really the last Weyoun clone.

I also do not agree that Weyoun 8 will be lacking anything that the previous Weyouns had. Surely they have an advanced memory transfer system between memories of their premier clones, with many backup facilities.

 

[J47]

Navaros said:
In my view the female Founder had clearly gone completely insane as of WYLB as evidenced by her surrendering for no reason.

I've never understood this accusation. In the opening sextology of Season 6, the Female Founder clearly states that bringing Odo home is more important to the Founders than the entire Alpha Quadrant. Thus, if Odo made it clear that the only way for him to go home was for her to surrender, based on those sentiments she would happily have done so.

 

[Hofner]

The reason the Female Founder surrendered is blindingly obvious but yet some people are unable to see it. She surrendered to save her people in the Gamma Quadrant.

Robert

 

[Hermiod]

It always seemed to me that the Vorta make regular "back ups" of their memories somehow, but because Damar's rebels had blown up the cloning facility there was nowhere for Weyoun to store his memories. Any new clone would have been a blank slate, and not the Weyoun we knew.

Interestingly, to me at least, when Weyoun #5 appears in "Ties of Blood and Water", he doesn't seem to remember meeting Sisko very well. Perhaps because he wasn't able to make a "back up" between arriving on the Defiant and being killed in "To the Death".

 

[Timo]

Sounds eminently logical.

Also, when five Weyouns in a row get killed, and one of those even turns out to be a traitor, one might start to suspect there's something wrong with our bloodly clones today. The eighth Weyoun could be the last because five consecutive duds is the most the Founders will tolerate...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Hermiod]

It occurs to me that by the time you get to number eight, that clone will have died seven times previously. I doubt having to remember dying over and over again would do much for that particular Vorta's sanity.

So, I don't think they would take the memories from the deceased Vorta's corpse.

 

[nx1701g]

It was explained in the episode immediately prior:

Weyoun 8 was the last Weyoun clone (at that time) because they couldn't reach the Gamma Quadrant to build another one. Damar's resistance forces destroyed the Dominion cloning facilities when they announced their rebellion. It's in "The Changing Face of Evil" as one of the last lines.

 

[Broccoli]

Are any of the clones specifically referred to as which number they are? For all we know, Weyoun 8 in the show was Weyoun 993873464 in the Star Trek universe.

And if they keep cloning Vorta, then are any original Vorta ever born the natural way? I mean, Weyoun 1 had to come from somewhere.