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Warbirds and Birds of Prey

TheSubCommander

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In TOS, Klingons had battlecruisers, and Romulans had birds of prey. Ship names at that time seemed pretty simple and clear cut. Then, in Star Trek 3, where the Klingon Bird of Prey was introduced, both Romulans and Klingons now had Birds of Prey. This was confusing for some, as how could both Klingons and Romulans have Birds of Prey, but was explained partially in apocrypha that the original Star Trek 3 script stated the Klingon ship was actually a stolen Romulan prototype, and the name was just a holdover (hence it having bird markings, just like the Romulan counterpart). Not to mention the Enterprise Incident in TOS establishes that at least once, the Klingons and Romulans shared technology.

TNG then introduced us to the Romulan Warbird, the D'Deridex class, which happened to be green, just like the Klingon Bird of Prey, and seemed to incorporate some hint of Klingon design, rather than the classic Romulan BOP saucer design.

In Nemesis, it was revealed that Remans had their own version of the Warbird, the Scimitar, not to mention the Romulans had a new Valdore Class warbird, which in many ways resembles a scaled up Klingon BOP or Battle cruiser.

Then came Enterprise, and later Star Trek 2009, where Klingon Battlecruisers were referred to as Warbirds, further confusing issues. Braga had explained the use of the term Warbird for Klingon ships in Broken Bow as a writing error, and Abrams presumably was using the term to follow Enterprise continuity.

So those are the real world explanations of why Both Romulans and Klingons have Birds of Prey, and Romulans, Remans, Klingons have Warbirds. But what is the in-universe explanation? Is it because Starfleet confused Klingon and Romulan ships at one point? Or is it because they classify all enemy battle cruisers as Warbirds and all enemy destroyer class ships as Birds of Prey? Or are these names reflective of the Klingon-Romulan alliance, where both sides shared technology?
 
Oh my god how could the US and Japan both have battleships and aircraft carriers during world war 2? It's soooo confusing! ;)
 
That "warbird" error in Enterprise was inexcusable. It's like whoever wrote that has never seen an episode of Trek in their lives.
 
I don't know what I'm talking about, but it seems "warbird" is used by Star Fleet in generic terms.

The way we say "warship" as a general combat vessel.
"Warbird" seems to mean a general combat vessel that is bird-like (can be either Klingon or Romulan).

I don't know.
 
I confess I always have to look this up.

"What's the difference between a warbird and a bird-of-prey again? Is there a difference?"
 
Oh my god how could the US and Japan both have battleships and aircraft carriers during world war 2? It's soooo confusing! ;)
I meant from the perspective that Warbird and Bird of Prey were originally terms for Romulan ships, and there is no explanation as to why Klingon ships also got the same designation. Apparently it was confusing enough for at least on Enterprise writer :)


But it begs the question: If these are what the Romulans and Klingons call them, why would they happen to use the same terms? If it is what Starfleet calls them, why did they choose bird designations, rather than "scout ship," or "heavy battle cruiser," etc.

I don't know what I'm talking about, but it seems "warbird" is used by Star Fleet in generic terms.

The way we say "warship" as a general combat vessel.
"Warbird" seems to mean a general combat vessel that is bird-like (can be either Klingon or Romulan).

I don't know.

THis is what I am thinking is the best in universe explanation: like the term Warbird or Bird of Prey is Starfleet designations for types of enemy ships, and not what the Klingons and Romulans call them. Sort of like Betty Bombers and Zeros from WWII.



I confess I always have to look this up.

"What's the difference between a warbird and a bird-of-prey again? Is there a difference?"

Warbird is basically the larger ship, the BOP is a scout ship.
 
If it looks vaguely avian, it can be a warbird. Remember, the Klingons have called the Enterprise a battlecruiser a couple of times.
 
Thank God for Memory Alpha and the Star Trek Encyclopedia, or I'd never get these straight!
 
It sounds rather obvious that flying machines (even machines flying in space) would get called "birds" of some feather or another. It's less obvious that they would be considered "ships", but I guess that's possible as well. And no doubt some species consider their mighty ether-plowers "worms", but they're probably in a distinct minority.

That said, let's remember that we actually know where these human designations for alien ships come from. They come from Vulcans! In "Broken Bow", it's Vulcans who introduce the concept and terminology of Klingons to mankind. It rather follows that Klingons and Romulans would be subject to the same sort of terminology, then: Vulcans get to decide how Klingon things are named, and Romulans may well adhere to old Vulcan ways of naming things...

I for one welcome the generalization of the bird terminology. It sounds perfectly silly that one species would fly birds while others could not!

The more interesting question here is, who invented the D codes for Klingon ships? Our Starfleet heroes use D7 and D12 in the TNG era, while Klingons amongst themselves speak of D5 in "Once More Unto the Breach". I haven't yet tracked down where in ENT the designation D5 is used, and whether it's T'Pol again introducing it.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The bird-of-prey in Into Darkness was called a D4 by Spock.

Until something canonical comes along to refute it, I'm going with The TMP blueprints' assertation that the D stands for "Drell", which IIRC from a novel or manual or something is a Klingon flying serpent.
 
The more interesting question here is, who invented the D codes for Klingon ships? Our Starfleet heroes use D7 and D12 in the TNG era, while Klingons amongst themselves speak of D5 in "Once More Unto the Breach". I haven't yet tracked down where in ENT the designation D5 is used, and whether it's T'Pol again introducing it.

Timo Saloniemi

That's more tricky. I would think that Klingons have their own names for their classes (K'vort, B'rel, K't'inga) and the D-7 and D-12 stuff would be Star Fleet designations. Sort of like NATO reporting names used for Soviet machines. But as you mention, even Klingons use the D-5 designations, so who knows?

I don't recall correctly, but Star Fleet Battles had a system for the letter/number Klingon ships. I think it was letters A-B-C-D... and so on being used in order of battleship-cruiser-destroyer-frigate-escort... and on down the line of battle.

The numbers after the letter were model or class within a type.

My details may be screwy, but SFB did have some orderly system for the Klingon designations.
 
Why did they chose the bird designations? Well BoPs and Warbirds do have a certain avian look to them.
 
It's my guess that the Bird of Prey designation would be used to describe a ship that's small, very maneuverable, heavily armed for it's size. And is capable of planetary landing. As well as atmospheric flight operations.
 
IMO, "bird of prey" and "warbird" are generic descriptors used to describe a starship much the way the term "man o' war" was used on Earth in the age of sail. See definition 1 here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/man+o+war

The "D" designations for the various ship-types of the Klingon Empire were probably Federation-derived designations for those vessels, having little to do with whatever actual designations the Klingons might have had for them. This would be doen because it would be easier for non-Klingon speakers to remember, and there were no doubt times when the actual klingon names for these ships would be unknown to the Feds. This is similar to the names NATO had for Soviet aircraft and ships during the Cold War. Fighters were given "code names" starting with the letter "F", bombers the letter "B", and so forth.
 
Technically, the original TOS Romulan ship wasn't called a Bird of Prey. Stiles said "they had a giant bird of prey painted on them." That's all - the ship had a BoP painted on it, it wasn't called a BoP on screen. Fandom then dubbed the ship a Bird of Prey as shorthand.

TOS Klingon ships were called cruisers or Battlecruisers.

The Romulan capital ships on TNG were always called Warbirds. They were the ONLY ships called warbirds until some idiot writer screwed up on Enterprise. And I'm going with the rationalization that Soval was in the early stages of Bendii Syndrome, and just said the wrong thing. :p
 
I don't know what I'm talking about, but it seems "warbird" is used by Star Fleet in generic terms.

The way we say "warship" as a general combat vessel.
Or the way we use "warbird" today to mean a military aircraft, especially a vintage or historic one.

BTW, in "Balance of Terror," Lt. Stiles mentioned that Romulan ships would be easy to recognize because they're painted like a giant bird of prey. The phrase "Bird of Prey" was never an official designation for any type of space vessel, Romulan or otherwise, in Trek TOS.

EDIT: Or, what Forbin just said.
 
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Oh my god how could the US and Japan both have battleships and aircraft carriers during world war 2? It's soooo confusing! ;)
I meant from the perspective that Warbird and Bird of Prey were originally terms for Romulan ships, and there is no explanation as to why Klingon ships also got the same designation. Apparently it was confusing enough for at least on Enterprise writer :)

Judging by the end result, I think it's fair to say that at least one Enterprise writer was the sort to get confused while tying his shoelaces.
 
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