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Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

Negan flipping the finger as he drove off was awesome.

The biggest surprise was that we only lost Sasha. All that shooting and the only character from either side that we could name was Sasha.

That said, the Kingdom and the Hilltop seem pretty unprotected right now. If I were Negan, I'd crush one of those places asap. And if I were Rick, I'd go after the Heapsters, to cut down down on Negan's numerical advantage.

And by the way, the Scavengers rolling up in the garbage trucks was awesome.
 
@Trekker4747 good point about the trees. As for Sasha, my recollection is still that people don't always rise right away, and Negan happily popping her in the coffin the whole way still seems painfully contrived. As one review I read put it, the writers basically decided what they wanted and worked backwards.

Have people seen this btw? :lol:

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If Negan found out about Oceanside then they are in for a hurting too, Rick took all of their guns, Negan said he knew of Rick's surplus of weapons. Would be interesting if he knows about Oceanside.
 
@Trekker4747 good point about the trees. As for Sasha, my recollection is still that people don't always rise right away, and Negan happily popping her in the coffin the whole way still seems painfully contrived. As one review I read put it, the writers basically decided what they wanted and worked backwards.

Have people seen this btw? :lol:

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I'm relieved to know that at least one member of the Blue Man Group has survived the ZA so far! :D
 
Well, the Scavengers must have been some group into LARP or performance art which the apocalypse set them free to live their dreams. ;)

I think I want to see Jadis or whatever her name is get her comeuppance more than even Negan. They need a scene where Negan and crew roll in and demand she hand over her best garbage for the Saviors.

No idea what it was, I'm sure it's a real gun and some gun experts could probably tell you what it was, how many rounds an average magazine holds
I'm not a gun expert but it looked to be in the 100's.

All true. But also a lot of what Negan does is theatrics. It's as much for the people watching — so as to drive the lesson home even harder. He's playing a massive psychological game with everyone around him and his sort of theatrics is the only way you can make that sort of thing work. Otherwise someone would've capped him by now.
I want to make some kind of Trump comment here...
 
Anyone else thinking this may be their bailing point? Instead of much watch TV, this season has been forcing myself to watch. I don't like leaving shows that aren't finished but there's so much other quality TV I think I may be done, unless next seasons reviews are spectacular.
 
@Trekker4747 good point about the trees. As for Sasha, my recollection is still that people don't always rise right away, and Negan happily popping her in the coffin the whole way still seems painfully contrived. As one review I read put it, the writers basically decided what they wanted and worked backwards.

Reanimation is said to take anywhere from minutes to several hours. Jenner from the CDC said it took almost 12 hours for his deceased wife to turn, it took Amy (Andrea's sister) probably 10 hours to turn and most other times we've seen people turn within minutes. Rapey Davey in Sash'a sell turned inside of probably an hour or two.

So, yeah, it was a gamble on her part that she'd turn in the time it took to get there (and if there wasn't a road block she may not have turned in time) but the show has been very loose with the length of time it takes to turn and it more often than not makes it a span of time long enough for plot convenience. (Likely why the turn time isn't a set time. There needs to be enough freedom to have people turn when you need them too instead of having to remain internally consistent with a specific time.)

It did seem that Negan was a bit too quick to seal Sasha in the coffin and it never occurred to him that she wouldn't have enough air in there to breathe. (I know she took the pill but, still, she would have suffocated/asphyxiated in there on her own inside of probably an hour.) They said it would take 2-hours to drive to Alenandria, certain Negan would've said, "Why don't you ride in one of the trucks and we'll put you in there when we're 20 or 30 minutes out.
 
Anyone else thinking this may be their bailing point? Instead of much watch TV, this season has been forcing myself to watch. I don't like leaving shows that aren't finished but there's so much other quality TV I think I may be done, unless next seasons reviews are spectacular.
I don't know what happens in the comics but I'm pretty sure this isn't the case but I think they could spend next season defeating Negan and that could be a decent point to exit the series.
 
Anyone else thinking this may be their bailing point? Instead of much watch TV, this season has been forcing myself to watch. I don't like leaving shows that aren't finished but there's so much other quality TV I think I may be done, unless next seasons reviews are spectacular.
Though I do agree that some things have dragged on, there have been some spectacular character developments/moments here.

Richard's episode was heart wrenching for me. You could hear & see how sincere he was in wanting to help the kingdom, but also how wrong he was in his approach. I had hoped he would die in battle, knowing why.

Also, seeing Morgan & Carol's inner changes as well as their interactions have been great.

And I mean, King Ezekiel and Jerry are awesome too.

it's still must-watch for my household.
 
Yeah, I've enjoyed a lot of the character moments this season. I don't see much talk of him here, but Eugene has been extremely believeable.

This season gets a definite thunbs up, and I'll be back for more in the fall.
 
The problem is that a culture doing that would develop other patterns of behavior along with what I said. Those patterns would tend to come across as pretty alien (and some would likely be pretty disgusting). There is no way they'd simply appear as Mad Max extras.

The Scavengers are pretty alien in behavior and mannerism already. However, I do agree that whatever made them freaky, its happened too fast as the ZA is only (arguably) three years old in-series.

I'll be honest I found the first half of that tedious as anything. None of it made much sense and was contrived to high heaven. Why did Negan let her go in the coffin? How did she know exactly how quick Eugene's pill would work/how quickly she'd rise (isn't it different every time?) and did her sacrifice achieve anything except allow for a violent interlude that ended up where they'd have ended up anyway, with Rick and Carl on their knees.

Eugene told Sasha how long the pill would take to kill her.

Regarding the effect of her sacrifice, no one--not Savior, ASZer, or anyone else knew how a violent uprising would play out, which places everyone in danger. Sasha was betting on the shock/distraction would help her friends strike in the moment, and that's exactly what occurred. Negan almost lost his life at least three times in the conflict, so there was no guarantee that Rick and Carl were going to end up on their knees.
 
I think Scot Gimple has said that The Scavengers talk that way out of purpose because they've, out a form of necessity, simplified and truncated their manner of speaking for efficiency and to allow them to communicate in a manner less likely to draw in walkers or otherwise unwanted intention.

So they're talking that way intentionally by design and choice and three years may just be enough time for it to set in and become just the way they talk. A friend of mine spent two years on a mission in Bolivia as per tradition/implied requirement/non-requirement in the LDS chuch. For those two years he mostly spoke Spanish in the Spanish-speaking country and when he returned he had a noticeable (Bolivian) accent and struggled to find the words in English he wanted when talking. Spending two years speaking Spanish had damaged, to a degree, his ability to speak English. Now, he was back on his feet and speaking clear English without being at a loss for words and without an accent in a fairly short amount of time, a couple weeks, but it suggests it is possible if you communicate in a different way for at least 2 years it becomes just the way you talk.

The ZA has been going on for the greater part of 3 years, we may be able to argue for almost 4 considering how Judith now looks, and if The Scavengers are anything like the Alexandrians they've probably been together and isolated pretty much since the beginning. So, as ridiculous as it may seem it's "possible" for them to have simply rebuilt the way they talk out of some form of necessity or efficiency and have been doing it long enough and consistently enough it's neutered their regular way of speaking.
Like my friend, they could probably undo this programming pretty quickly if they began speaking regularly again, but for them this way of talking works for their purposes. Think about it, with hand signals, a nod and a flare, not having to speak a word, Jadis was able to get her lieutenant to signal the others to lay out a smoke-screen and to cut and run.

Rick's group didn't even have a plan to regroup somewhere should something drastic happen at the prison and all of the characters wandered and stumbled around for several days before reuniting at Terminus. Granted, stupidity on their part for not having some form of contingency organized for at least the core group to meet somewhere in an emergency, but it still wouldn't have been easy or effective to tell everyone, with a short signal, "abandon the plan, meet at the place." Jadis was able to get her group to do this with a couple signals.

Very efficient. They are Jadis.
 
By the way, what was she negotiating with Negan? She wanted 12, he said 10? I think it might have been people, maybe Alexandrians? Did she want them as slaves, or did she want to assimilate them into the Borg?
 
People, but we'll probably found it more details next season and she seemed disappointed or at least not to have as much fun negotiating with Negan as she did with Rick. She definitely won't "lie" with Negan. She didn't go for the "lay out extreme offer and demand they say yes," card, which Negan very likely wouldn't take. He'd shut that shit down!
 
Eugene told Sasha how long the pill would take to kill her.

Regarding the effect of her sacrifice, no one--not Savior, ASZer, or anyone else knew how a violent uprising would play out, which places everyone in danger. Sasha was betting on the shock/distraction would help her friends strike in the moment, and that's exactly what occurred. Negan almost lost his life at least three times in the conflict, so there was no guarantee that Rick and Carl were going to end up on their knees.

I still have a problem with her gambling that she would have enough time to die and turn in that timeframe. I guess either she lunged out a walker (and maybe gets Negan) or else her corpse falls out and at least Negan's lost his bargaining chip. Thinking about it Sasha didn't have many options I suppose.
 
Yeah, from her point of view she didn't have many options, give in to Negan and put her friends and own personal moral code at risk or take herself out of the game and do it in a manner that stands a chance to give her people a fighting chance. No, she didn't know she'd turn in the time it took for them to get to Alexandria but she knew it was a possibility and not something Negan would expect.
 
I enjoyed Sasha'a parts of the episode. As Trek fans we knew she was deadmeat, but the way she ended up going was a good surprise.

I also thought the end where the tiger showed up was a wonderful moment, and I shouted. The release I felt because they actually had a victory was quite something.

It certainly wasn't perfect, and it was a bit slow going in the first act. Could have been shorter.

I also wish this had been the mid-season finale!
 
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