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TNG Rewatch: 6x04 - "Relics"

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The Enterprise moves in to intercept a distress signal it picked up from the USS Jenolan, a transport ship that had disappeared nearly 75 years ago. As the ship exits warp it is suddenly rocked by a massive gravity well which sensors determine to be a Dyson Sphere, a massive sphere with the diameter of Earth's orbit around the sun constructed around a star. The idea being that a civilization living on the surface of the sphere -equaling many millions of planets- would have access to an inexhaustible source of solar energy.

They locate the the Jenolan crashed on the surface of the sphere and send-in an away team to investigate the wreckage. Unsurprisingly, there's no evidence of survivors on the ship but Geordi discovers an unusual configuration on the ship's transporter and that there's still a viable pattern in its buffer. Believing that someone had somehow preserved themselves inside the transporter, Geordi beams in the pattern. It turns out to Captain Montgomery Scott, or "Scotty," from the TOS series and movies.

Scotty was a passenger on the transport ship enroute to a retirement colony when the ship detected the sphere and went into investigate. After an attempt to hail the sphere the ship was pulled down and crashed on the surface. Scotty and a single member of the crew were the only survivors and with limited supplies and little hope of a rescue Scotty decided to jury-rig the transporter to preserve him and the other officer until help arrived. That help, it would seem, came 75 years later and while Scotty's pattern survived in the modified transporter with minimal degradation, the other officer's pattern was irrecoverable.

Scotty seems to have trouble adapting to life on the new Enterprise as he's quickly brushed off by other members of the crew, all favoring their work and duties over befriending Scott. Scotty seeks refreshment in Ten-Forward only to be disappointed by the 24th century's version of scotch. Though, Data is helpful in providing Scotty with a drink that has real alcohol in it.

A drunken Scotty recreates the bridge of the original Enterprise on the holodeck and goes in to sulk and reminisce alone, but is soon joined by Captain Picard. The two men share a drink, memories and thoughts before Scotty decides he's being foolish and needs to act his age and not dwell on the past.

Picard, motivated to make Scotty feel useful, asks LaForge to accompany Scotty on an away mission to the Jenolan in order to recover data from its computers concerning the Dyson Sphere. Geordi reluctantly agrees as he recently had a blow-up at Scotty during a confrontation in Engineering.

Working together on the Jenolan the two engineers eventually find a balance to work with one another, Geordi realizing that just because something is old it doesn't need to be dismissed and Scotty realizes that he still has some use in this world after all. In need of another piece of equipment, Geordi tries to contact the Enterprise but discovers it missing.

While Geordi and Scotty worked on the Jenolan, the Enterprise investigated a communications array on the surface of the sphere, contacting it engages a hatch and a tractor beam that pulls the ship inside, resulting in some minor damage to ship's systems leaving them trapped inside the sphere and in danger of being destroyed by a star in a phase of active solar activity that had resulted in the abandonment of the sphere ages ago.

Geordi and Scotty work up and plan to find the Enterprise and manage to get the Jenolan operating again to go off to find the missing ship. They believe the ship was pulled inside the sphere and cannot get out. Scotty believes they can open the hatch, avoid the tractor beams, and use the Jenolan to hold the hatch open while the Enterprise escapes. Geordi thinks the plan is crazy but Scotty convinces Geordi that it can be done, the younger engineer agrees to go with the plan.

The plan goes off without much of a hitch, suffering only the loss of the Jenolan as it needed to be destroyed in order for the Enterprise to make it out the doors.

Geordi and Scotty share engineering stories as they walk for the shuttlebay where Picard offers to give Scotty one of the Enterprise's shuttles as compensation for the loss of the Jenolan. Scotty remarks that the original colony he was heading for is where people go to retire, maybe some day he will end up there.

This is the last episode of the series to feature a character from the original series and overall it works out pretty well for Scotty, leaving him alive and well in the 24th century with a sense of purpose that he has something to offer the people of this time.

It's too bad he had to be a bit of an ass to get to that point.

The overall message of the episode works well and is a good one, that just because someone is old they shouldn't me dismissed and treated as if they have nothing to offer. Which is a great message.

Only, well, er..... Scotty *didn't* have anything to offer during his one major encounter on the ship, namely the confrontation with LaForge in Engineering. And the episode makes no vagaries about it as pretty much everything he does in Engineering comes from a lack of misunderstanding how technology in this time works. Hell, one of the very first things he does on getting on the ship is nearly electrocuting himself by almost touching a power-tap.

Often this discussion will come up on the boards on whether Scotty or Geordi were in the wrong when it came to their confrontation in Engineering and I find myself time and time again saying Scotty was in the wrong and I justify it by this:

Say you're at you're job one day and in walks a man who's been in a coma for even a reasonable length of time, maybe 20 or 30 years. Think of where our world and technology was 30 years ago, in 1985. A time when computers were just starting to show up in homes and being used in more and more offices the Internet didn't really exist in any meaningful sense and to talk to someone even on the otherside of town you still had to hunt-down a phone that was connected to a wall-socket and hope someone was next to their phone when you called.

Is a person whose last memory is that kind of world going to have anything to offer someone in that same job working in *today's* world?

There's two things Scotty dicks with in Engineering while he's there and both times he not only is wrong in what he is assuming but he's sort-of implying Geordi is bad at his job. He even offers Geordi "advice" in how to do his job, advice that includes lying to his captain about estimated times to complete a task.

Through all of this Geordi tries to be polite and patient but eventually blows up.

Scotty feels he's "in the way" and being ignored but it's not really the case. Geordi showed in sickbay, and even in talking with Scotty on the way there, a willingness to go over new things with Scotty. He just can't right now, he's busy. (I dunno, I guess the ship just made a brand-new, huge, discovery.) Picard shows an interest in talking with Scotty but he's busy right now (I dunno, a ship to run or something.) Beverly even tells Scotty he should take it easy anyway (I dunno, he broke his arm and spent nearly 4-decades existing as only energy or something.) But none of this apparently works for Scotty and even though he's on this massive, luxury, ship on which there massive amounts of things to do and see he's put-off and bored. Hell, even the guy who showed him his room brushes him off! (I dunno, he's a junior officer with other work to do or something.)

Keep in mind, once Picard was off-duty he does make good on his promise and seeks Scotty out to talk with him and the two men bond very nicely.

But after the encounter in Engineering, Scotty plays out very nicely and the bonding scene between him and Picard on the partially re-created set of the original TOS Enterprise bridge is a good scene. And once Scotty and Geordi learn to respect one another and work together the way that plays off is very good too.

The remastered look of the episode is very, very nicely done. One thing of note is making the "horizon" of the Dyson Sphere really appear to be on the edge of forever. In the original episode we can see a clear "cut" between the sphere's horizon and space and even see some of the curvature of the sphere. All of this sort of diminishes how mind-boggling HUGE this thing is. The remastered effects hides the curvature of the horizon and makes the horizon fade into blackness better as if it really were stretching on forever.

It's really, really, tough to imagine how utterly, ridiculously, huge this thing would be.

You're telling me this civilization could built this colossal structure but they couldn't develop a shielding system for the "surface" that protected it from the star's solar radiation?

Maybe it's me, but it seems to me the Jenolan could have stayed wedged in the doors AND for the Enterprise to also be able to get out. The doors are pretty damn massive.

We'll just pretend the Enterprise knew the prefix codes or shield frequencies for the Jenolan and thus could beam through the shields of the smaller ship. ;)

There's just something nifty about the way the actress punches in the commands at her console and the way the ship responds by turning 90-degrees on her side to make it through the closing hatch. Even though she's doing nothing it some how seems believable she's making this maneuver.

I have a power auto-up and auto-down driver's window on my car. When I tell it to "auto-up" if I stick my hand in there and the window bumps it, the window will stop going up and will actually retract down a little bit. Household automatic garage doors do the same thing, reverse or stop when they encounter an obstruction on their way down.

I guess the aliens who built the Dyson Sphere had no such safety measures installed for their entry system to the sphere.

Overall a good episode, though. And it's nice seeing the partial recreation of the TOS bridge.
 
There's just something nifty about the way the actress punches in the commands at her console and the way the ship responds by turning 90-degrees on her side to make it through the closing hatch. Even though she's doing nothing it some how seems believable she's making this maneuver.
I love that bit. I wonder how many people missed that that's what she was doing, it was so subtle.

My few complaints: I felt Geordi was out of character, acting like a bastich to Scotty.

The beaming through shields thing and torpedoing the Jenolan with its shields up had me rolling my eyes. Yeah, one could argue a passenger liner's shields aren't made to stand up to a torpedo, but still, if you make rules for your show, stick to them or explain why you're not using them.

One would think that finding the most massive and technologically amazing artifact in the galaxy would cause more awe and wonder, but all it was was a story device. And then we never hear about it again. The story wiould have been the same if they'd found the Jenolan crashed on a planet, and found some other situation for Scotty to save the day.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, I enjoyed the show. :)
 
A thoroughly enjoyable episode, with just a few gripes. The deleted scene with Troi should have been kept. It was funny, and it makes sense later on when Troi kisses him at the end.

It was also kinda painful hearing Doohan have to say all that technobabble. Doohan had his share of tech-tech talk in Trek, but it got way more verbose in TNG.

One issue I have with the concept of this Dyson sphere - how do they simulate night? Wouldn't the surface be receiving constant sunlight?

My wife does not like Star Trek at all. If I have it on, she'll either read a book or watch it passively. When the Enterprise is making its escape, even SHE was like "hey, they can't beam through the shields." :lol: She picked up just enough from the show to realize they broke their own rules.
 
I wonder if there's a connection between Geordi's lack of dating skills and his lack of dealing with old people skills.
 
Nice to see Doohan again. But the rest of the episode is pretty ho-hum. They had some nice pieces to play with but the end result is pretty bland.
 
I'm going to try again, I had a nice post that didn't work because my browser didn't like it.

I was just going to say, I agree, Scotty comes off poorly, but then Geordie is the least people person of the TNG crew. His best friend is a machine and it (he, Data) still has a better personality. He can't get a date unless it's an alien shape shifting dog and he turns into a lizard once in a while. Any other crew member would have treated Scotty better but Geordie. But he's the engineer and that's what happened.

Also, I thought they technobabbled something about beaming through the Jenolen's shields because of the phasing or some such. I know that I hate when something is firmly established and then blatenly disregarded when they feel like it. Either not make it so clearly defined or stick to it because breaking it for their convenience really cheapens the whole thing.

Final note, it's a shame one of the most remarkable discoveries ever in TNG is just a background prop.
 
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It was kinda silly to combine the story of Scotty with the story of the Dyson sphere and NOT make a two-parter out of it.

One issue I have with the concept of this Dyson sphere - how do they simulate night? Wouldn't the surface be receiving constant sunlight?

There's a half sphere slowly rotating around the sun, casting a shadow on one half of the Dyson sphere. Copyright (c) 2015 Jarod Russell.
 
Since we fail to see shadow-plates anywhere near the sun, despite the E-D doing a pretty extensive tour of the locale, we might assume there are those somewhere close to the surface, where the E-D does not loiter. Might be physical plates statically hovering there (no gravity inside, after all, beyond what the star provides, and the radiation pressure could fight that) while the sphere very slowly rotates. Might be virtual plates, some sort of a polarization effect created in the atmosphere by forcefield projectors.

In both cases, might be the system crashed aeons ago (the physical plates into the oceans, the forcefield generators just because); it wouldn't affect the system's basic balance much, and any lifeforms whom it might concern are long gone, too.

Also, I thought they technobabbled something about beaming through the Jenolen's shields because of the phasing or some such. I know that I hate when something is firmly established and then blatenly disregarded when they feel like it. Either not make it so clearly defined or stick to it because breaking it for their convenience really cheapens the whole thing.
Instead of missing technobabble, we could simply plead missing action. There's plenty of time in the brutally cut escape scene for a dropping of shields and a subsequent re-raising of them. Just listen to the ETAs called out by our heroes to observe the cuts and how they may help with this issue.

However, let's remember that there is no rule about beaming out through shields. The very TOS episode that introduced the "no beaming up if shields raised" rule, "A Taste of Armageddon", featured a beaming down while the shields clearly were still up. No subsequent TOS episode mentioned a problem with beaming out through shields, and TNG, DS9 and VOY all followed suite.

Thus, if our two engineers beamed out using the transporters of the transport, there'd be no continuity error. Too bad that it's pretty clear the E-D transporters are doing all the work...

One would think that finding the most massive and technologically amazing artifact in the galaxy would cause more awe and wonder, but all it was was a story device. And then we never hear about it again.
Well, let's remember what sort of an artifact it was. Basically, there was more to explore there than in the entire UFP put together - possibly more than in the entire galaxy, in terms of Class M square mileage. Any efforts ongoing would be directly comparable to all the other exploration stuff Starfleet performs, and specifically referring to "exploration of the Dyson Sphere" would be akin to referring to "exploration of the Beta Quadrant". It's one of those "too big to be seen" things, a "forest for the trees" phenomenon.

That said, I'd have loved to hear of even one discovery made inside the Dyson Sphere. Or in the Beta Quadrant, for that matter. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi
 
I would attribute the Enterprise getting through Jenolen is that the Jenolen is an old ship. Remember that when Defiant was stuck around K7 with USS Enterprise, it was able to beam in people without being seen due to Sisko's people knowing everthing about the Enterprise's sensor systems. One would assume Picard's people would know everything there is to know about an old Starfleet transport's shields and how to get around them. If O'Brian can find a way to beam onto the relatively new USS Pheonix with its shields up, they can figure out how to get through the old Jenolan's shields.
 
The first half of the episode was painful to watch precisely because Scotty was so clearly in the wrong with his "old man" behavior, plus his awkward stumbling through the technobabble. At the end of the holodeck scene with Picard, Scotty says it's time to grow up and act his age - a line I audibly cheered to. Thankfully, the second half of the episode mostly makes up for the first.

I watched the deleted scene with Troi, and Doohan stumbled through his lines so badly it looked like an early rehearsal. Made me wonder how many takes they needed to get the rest of his performance to a usable state.

I would've loved to have learned more about the Dyson sphere. The concept seems strange to me, as it seems like you could get much of the way towards "limitless energy" by putting large solar collectors in space without the staggering engineering resources it would take to create such a sphere. Is there even enough material in the solar system with which to create a sphere that size?
 
I enjoyed watching this episode. It was a very sentimental episode for obvious reasons.

At one point, Geordi did treat Scotty as though Scotty was a nuisance and in the way. I was sadden to see Scotty treated that way. But at the same time, I could understand why Geordi behaved the way he did. Maybe the old timer was out of place, but Scotty did mean well.

Geordi should have been tactful and appreciate the old man, which he eventually did. Although, both were engineers, they were quite a contrast to one another. Scotty was colorful and charming while Geordi was cold and technocratic. (The difference in their personalities was a good reflection of the tone of the two series TOS and TNG). I would take Scotty over Geordi any time.

I would've loved to have learned more about the Dyson sphere. The concept seems strange to me, as it seems like you could get much of the way towards "limitless energy" by putting large solar collectors in space without the staggering engineering resources it would take to create such a sphere. Is there even enough material in the solar system with which to create a sphere that size?
Building a Dyson sphere of that size doesn't seem to make sense. The cost/benefit analysis would seem not to justify building it. The amount of resources and effort to build such a structure would be so tremendous. You would be bankrupting your civilization many times over in an attempt to build it. Resources could be better spent.
 
In the review, Trekker questions why the builders faint use shielding for the sun. Who says they didn't? Its so old and abandoned because it's systems were failing or there was a catastrophic failure they knew was eventually going to render it useless.

Soeculation: This was an early sphere and not as good as later spheres they built. Or, they just evolved and moved on.
 
Maybe it's me, but it seems to me the Jenolan could have stayed wedged in the doors AND for the Enterprise to also be able to get out. The doors are pretty damn massive.
The beaming through shields thing and torpedoing the Jenolan with its shields up had me rolling my eyes. Yeah, one could argue a passenger liner's shields aren't made to stand up to a torpedo, but still, if you make rules for your show, stick to them or explain why you're not using them.
Not only are these both fair points, but the whole notion that the Jenolan must be used as a doorstop at all turns a blind eye to the very simple logic of events up to that point

The 1701-D hails the sphere, activating a tractor beam which draws them in, much like what the Jenolan crew had also been subject to, such that they crashed trying to avoid it. (No mention of why the D didn't crash similarly, but hey it could just be a better ship)

So, the brilliant team of Scotty & Geordi deduce this & determine the best distance & position from which to activate the doors WITHOUT getting caught in the tractor beam. Once they have the doors open, ship to ship communication can be reestablished, & an egress for the D is made available

But oh noes! The doors are going to close again! So what? We've already established the Jenolan is positioned so it can open them whenever they want, without being tractored in. You just do that again if the D doest have time to escape the 1st time. Why are we jamming a perfectly good ship between them & jeopardizing safety, when we can just open them again?
 
LOL good point! Why not wait for the Enterprise to get closer and re-hail the doors? Lol But why is there not a means to open the door from inside the sphere? And it seems the Enterprise could have brokemn orbit from the star at any time, so why the danger of them staying in orbit around the star?
 
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