Threshold episode and transwarp.

[ConRefit79]

Took a look at the Transwarp page on Memory Alpha, and it says the reason Transwarp failed in the past was because the Dilithium used to that point became unstable at higher warp frequencies. In threshold they use a new form of the crystals that work better at higher frequencies. They could not travel at warp 10 because of the mutation. If what has been suggested, warp 10 is infinite speed, everywhere at once, then Transwarp used by the Voth and the Quantum slip stream are speeds on the warp scale of Warp 9.99+ but < 10. Why did they not try to use that knowledge to do warp 9.999999999999999999999?

NM, I know why. Because they were only in season 2 of a 7 season contract.

 

[Scout101]

Better off just forgetting that one completely. If you want to question things on that one, question why they didn't use the technology to get home, and then just reverse the mutation, as they already know how to do that. Or at least get some pretty special charts for the way home. Also, have the tech in the queue and ready to go if they needed to bypass an anomaly or dangerous race...

 

[ConRefit79]

Better off just forgetting that one completely. If you want to question things on that one, question why they didn't use the technology to get home, and then just reverse the mutation, as they already know how to do that. Or at least get some pretty special charts for the way home. Also, have the tech in the queue and ready to go if they needed to bypass an anomaly or dangerous race...

Yeah, I used to ask that question. But I always assumed it went straight to 10. So after reading on TW last night, I thought, hey, why not just flirt with W10.

Speaking of mutation, wonder how the GEL packs would have evolved.

 

[Scout101]

it DOES go straight to 10, or at least 'breaks through' at warp 10, but they can shut it off and basically pick their exit point, it appeared. So pick Earth, and then go visit the Doctor for your anti-frog shot, and you're home free

 

[omegadir]

Or a better question: Why didn't they just engage the quantum slipstream drive for brief periods of time? We saw that the drive broke down after several seconds of using it, but they had already traveled 10,000 light years. So what's the problem with using several short jumps that cover close to 10,000 light years?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or a better question: Why didn't they just engage the quantum slipstream drive for brief periods of time? We saw that the drive broke down after several seconds of using it, but they had already traveled 10,000 light years. So what's the problem with using several short jumps that cover close to 10,000 light years?

A good question. A sensible question. A question only a moron wouldn't anticipate. I'm looking at the voyager Writers room here.

Shutting the slipstream drive off safely and exiting slipstream space/speed may have taken in excess of 30 seasons or even some number of minutes? Consider your ability to decelerate from 180 mph in a car if a baby toddles in the way of your automobile across an expressway? Sure you can swerve into a medium barrier and you might live but it's hardly something you'd do if you didn't have to. Of course to properly follow the metaphor, the baby is playing under the curvature of your front tire. It doesn't matter how fast you stop, as soon was you hit the gas you'll need a soapy rag to wash the baby off your chassy.

It would have taken them two seconds to explain something like that.

Transwarp conduits are not travelling at transwarpspeed but bridges between two points in space time that can be traversed at transwarp speed, ie near instantaneously, baring for the time it takes to safely enter and exit a transwarp conduit which is probably 99 percent of the journey in the case of the trip to earth in Endgame. However, what we see most of the time is Borg Cubes travelling from point a to point b LAYING transwarp conduits ie creating bridges in space time which is much slower than using a preexisting conduit such are managed at a Borg transwarp Hub and also at various other bridged delocalized points in the galaxy.

I'm extrapolating from TNG Decent when Picard's Enterprise used a Borg Conduit by (it's been a while) faking an access code perhaps.

 

[StarryEyed]

Except for Threshold, the term, "transwarp" has been used in reference to drive systems capable of speeds far beyond conventional warp but nothing like infinite speed.

 

[EJA]

It's probably best to just ignore Threshold entirely, like the writers do.

 

[F. King Daniel]

A Voyager episode with gaps in common sense? Well I never!

Memory Alpha says that some of the writers have unoffically decanonized it, yet stuff like Janeway/Paris has been alluded to since (I think they mentioned it again in a later episode? I know it came up in one of the novels, as did the warp 10 thing in a Dax story) thus totally defeating the object of decanonizing it. I think it's kinda fitting that Voyager can't even decanonize an episode properly .

Personally, I think it would have made a lot more sense if they'd just said they didn't know what happend to Paris at warp 10, leaving it open for all sorts of interpretations like warping into another dimension which caused the mutations.

(Btw, I actually kinda enjoyed "Threshold" in a shut off your brain and look at the pretty moving pictures kind of way)

 

[kimc]

(Btw, I actually kinda enjoyed "Threshold" in a shut off your brain and look at the pretty moving pictures kind of way)

I must confess it's a guilty pleasure for me. Doesn't make sense but there you go...

 

[froot]

Memory Alpha says that some of the writers have unoffically decanonized it, yet stuff like Janeway/Paris has been alluded to since (I think they mentioned it again in a later episode? I know it came up in one of the novels, as did the warp 10 thing in a Dax story) thus totally defeating the object of decanonizing it. I think it's kinda fitting that Voyager can't even decanonize an episode properly .

No, the events of Threshold were never brought up in the TV series again, period. Ever. Warp 10 was shelved.

J/P shippers were shipping J/P well before and well after Threshold due to the similarities in Janeway and Paris' lives and things like that. J/P did not happen due to Threshold. Also, J/P was never alluded to in canon outside of that episode (unless you count Janeway constantly pawing Paris at the helm...)

There's a hidden tidbit on one of the DVDs that contains an interview with a very contrite Brannon Braga damn near apologizing for writing the thing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Warp 10 as infinite speed was Okuda inventing shit for TNG back in the 80s, and was excellently explained in YOUR encyclopaedia with a cute little graph.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Really, all I have to say about this episode is...

Short of that, I imagine they didn't try it because, even with the new type of the crystal, it was too dangerous to take the risk of something going out of control and turning them all into lizards.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You have to remember that they didn't know (until Seven of nine showed up. And then she probably spent a month laughing at this rediculous Transwarpic dead end.) how to navigate at Transwarp. They could have exited transwarpspace at any point in the universe depending on how long they kept the drive on if there is a relationship between time and distance with this method of travel.

Would you buy a car with out a steering wheel?

Would you drive a car without a steering wheel?

Just hit and gas and hope the car knows where it is going?

Sure 90 percent of the universe is nothing, but it was a miracle that Tom didn't reinter real space intermerged with other matter up to and including a star, but more insideous perhaps, on some alien planet capable of taking advantage of a crashed federation shuttle to devious ends that some massive Prime Directive Violation didn't take place, that bastards didn't make war machines underpinned by Federation Tech, or some benevolent effort led to catastrophee as power stations across the face of a planet start exploding because the monkeys they have in control of the new infrestructure have no idea about all this tech they are using with out completely understanding (Have you ever watched Stargate?) what they are doing?

 

[JanewayRulz!]

No, the events of Threshold were never brought up in the TV series again, period. Ever. Warp 10 was shelved.

Watch and learn, my young padewan.

From season 3's "Distant Origin". Chakotay is testifying in the dinosaur court.

I've had the opportunity over the last few days to learn something about your culture, your great accomplishments. Consider the breakthrough into Transwarp, an incredible achievement, and yet, your ancient Doctrine predicted terrible disasters if it were even attempted. That held your race back for millennia, until someone took a chance and challenged that prediction.

Of course, it probably helped that the Voth were just BIG LIZARDS to start with.

Hmmm.

Do you think in their initial failed tests, they evolved into humans?

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

I figured the human race turning into salamanders was what Q was alluding to ever since "Encounter at Farpoint".

 

[froot]

No, the events of Threshold were never brought up in the TV series again, period. Ever. Warp 10 was shelved.

Watch and learn, my young padewan.

From season 3's "Distant Origin". Chakotay is testifying in the dinosaur court.

I've had the opportunity over the last few days to learn something about your culture, your great accomplishments. Consider the breakthrough into Transwarp, an incredible achievement, and yet, your ancient Doctrine predicted terrible disasters if it were even attempted. That held your race back for millennia, until someone took a chance and challenged that prediction.

Of course, it probably helped that the Voth were just BIG LIZARDS to start with.

Hmmm.

Do you think in their initial failed tests, they evolved into humans?

Gaaah! *shakes fist* Damn you, Voth! Well, at least Chakotay asked about their forays into transwarp and not the other way around.

Wasn't the Borg version of transwarp also called... transwarp, though? The quantum slipstream drive wasn't, I don't think. But it could be that Chakotay was referring to something different than Warp 10. Something more like what the Borg had, perhaps.

Although it is pretty funny that the Voth were, in fact, giant lizards.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

No, stickboy was talking about the events in "Threshold".

 

[exodus]

Or a better question: Why didn't they just engage the quantum slipstream drive for brief periods of time? We saw that the drive broke down after several seconds of using it, but they had already traveled 10,000 light years. So what's the problem with using several short jumps that cover close to 10,000 light years?

I think they said the crystals to power it were decaying and it was one good for a one shot deal. I think Janeway also said at the end that they tried to use it again but the system was shot.

 

[froot]

Well, dammit, Chakotay, stop ruining my plans.

At least J/P was out of the picture. And no one mention Thirty Days!