Which episode was this where Picard was interregated and kept saying "There are only four lights" or something like that? I want to watch it again but I can't remember the name of the episode.
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"There are four lights"
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It's called Chain of Command Part II 
^^ Ah, thank you very much
Darkshadow0001,
In case you didn't know, that line was inspired by George Orwell's "1984." In that novel, the main character, Winston Smith, is interrogated by Inner Party member O'Brien and is repeatedly asked, "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?" He's only holding up four but he wants Smith to say there are five, just as Gul Madred kept wanting Picard to say there were five lights. A simple yet cruel mind game.
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In case you didn't know, that line was inspired by George Orwell's "1984." In that novel, the main character, Winston Smith, is interrogated by Inner Party member O'Brien and is repeatedly asked, "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?" He's only holding up four but he wants Smith to say there are five, just as Gul Madred kept wanting Picard to say there were five lights. A simple yet cruel mind game.
Red Ranger
I seem to remember seeing Picard's butt in this episode. Maybe I was just having a, ummm, confused moment...nevermind...computer, delete post....
cultcross said:
even with my previously established geek credentials, I didn't want to have to explain what a Cardassian was in front of the class
Don't call it Cardassian. Call it the bad guy, as in: 'Captain Picard was being tortured by the bad guy...'
Call him Gul Madred if you have to, but you don't have to clarify he's a Cardassian.
Oh buddy if it was me I would have jumped on that like a rabid dog on a nice juicy bone. If people thought I was a geek, they can take it up with me anyway they want
Besides, TNG has actually become sort of "cool" and a household name now.
Personally I wanted to see Worf and Data grab that Cardassian and repeatedly punch the fucker in the throat and gut, and kick him constantly in the groin and the shin, that would have made it a gee wiz cool satisfying ending for me.
Gul Madred was awesome.
A true hero to Cardassia.
A few more minutes and he would have owned Picard.
A true hero to Cardassia.
A few more minutes and he would have owned Picard.
When Picard finally broke and said "yes...yes OK there are five lights" Madred should have said "No....there are SIX!!
Funny! Now, you do remember that Picard was close to agreeing, but never did, robbing Madred of his victory. That's when he shouted, "THERE . . . ARE . . . FOUR . . . LIGHTS!" A somewhat hollow victory, of course, as Picard later admits to Troi he could actually see five light, like Madred wanted him to. -- RR
Bah, Madred didn't need to hear Picard crack.
He knew he had broken him. Puny human.
He knew he had broken him. Puny human.
Torture does work. You can get someone to confess to anything even if they didn't do it, but you can also get them to give up stuff they know. Imagine next time you are in the dentist chair that you are strapped down and he wants to hurt you. Now imagine how fast you would talk.
You can also break someone and rebuild them to your liking.
You can also break someone and rebuild them to your liking.
I never cared much for this episode. I liked the premise that the Cardassians are developing a bad weapon, and the small team of Picard, Crusher and Worf going in to stop it. But the whole torture thing was hard to watch, and not enjoyable at all. I watch TNG for a break from reality, not to watch torture. I didn't like it.
That, and Jelico pisses me off.
That, and Jelico pisses me off.
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