"Nothing against Liam, but this is like replacing Kurt Russell with Tom Hanks in Tombstone." - FB reactor Greg Whit
The Witcher - Netflix
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If Liam has confidence issues I hope he's staying off the internet for a while.
With that de aging tech, his age is irrelevant.
That's the general rumor and it seems plausible.
Cavill has been open about his love for the books and games and as everybody knows actively campaigned to get the role. I'm not familiar with the books and have only dabbled in the games ( they're in my huge unfinished Steam stockpile) but i believe that this is a passion project for him. Superman put him on the map and he loves to play the character but i can't see Superman forcing him out of Witcher, so there must have been something going on behind the scenes that made him decide the way he did.
I like watching the show but Cavill is the main reason i watch it, i can't see how Hemsworth will be able to replace him and i believe Netflix just tanked one of their tentpole shows.
A friend just sent me this:
https://twitter.com/cursedhat/status/1586451079138447361?s=20&t=cfDcMM7MG3-WQrCKZIjelw
So it seems like Cavill is leaving because he wanted Geralt to be more nuanced and was unhappy with how the character was written on the show.
I have never read the books or played the games, and I've only seen the First Season, but I can definitely see his complaints, sometimes Geralt seemed almost like a meme character.
That being said when it comes to the dialogue on the show, I always kinda thought it was pretty dumb and stilted in general (I assume there might be a translation issue involved)
And honestly Season 1 until the very end seemed more like a DnD campaign rather than a story (especially the episode where there's literally multiple adventuring parties competing to find a dragon)
I thought it got better by the very end of season 1, but I never got around to watching more.
https://twitter.com/cursedhat/status/1586451079138447361?s=20&t=cfDcMM7MG3-WQrCKZIjelw
So it seems like Cavill is leaving because he wanted Geralt to be more nuanced and was unhappy with how the character was written on the show.
I have never read the books or played the games, and I've only seen the First Season, but I can definitely see his complaints, sometimes Geralt seemed almost like a meme character.
That being said when it comes to the dialogue on the show, I always kinda thought it was pretty dumb and stilted in general (I assume there might be a translation issue involved)
And honestly Season 1 until the very end seemed more like a DnD campaign rather than a story (especially the episode where there's literally multiple adventuring parties competing to find a dragon)
I thought it got better by the very end of season 1, but I never got around to watching more.
Looks like Cavil wanted season 3 to go one way, but didn't. Guess he got fed up at not playing the version of the witcher that he wanted to play.
Netflix is shooting themselves in the foot not agreeing to Henry's demands. Planed 7 seasons? Won't make off last next seasin.
Netflix is shooting themselves in the foot not agreeing to Henry's demands. Planed 7 seasons? Won't make off last next seasin.
If that's the case, then with him being a fan of the books, you would think he'd talk it over with the director, as being that he campaigned for the role, maybe he would have had a bit more leeway for input, because in the end, it's all about the interpretation of the character on screen. Contrast that with Superman and he's probably doing what he's given based on what the director and the suits want without any input. The Witcher sounds like a far more rewarding role in that sense.
I don't think TV (even streaming) is director driven. Producers and writers drive the production.
Even so, this seems the type of role where the person playing the role would be seen to have input.
Seeing that both the showrunner (edit: not sure if that was his role, just his new role) and Cavill left the show perhaps he did go to them and they agreed. I found it interesting that the showrunner (of X-Men '97) mentioned The Witcher by name when discussing his intents with setting up the writer's room for X-Men '97 which is uncommon. Maybe the situation was just seen as too out of hand to correct.
EDIT: sorry for this mess of a post, I conflated Beau DeMayo's role on The Witcher with showrunner but according to IMDB he was writer and sometimes co-producer.
EDIT: sorry for this mess of a post, I conflated Beau DeMayo's role on The Witcher with showrunner but according to IMDB he was writer and sometimes co-producer.
And if they have that vision few might people might be able to change their minds.
It seems like there wasn't any lack of trying on Cavils part to get Geralt to be more accurate to the books, but if they don't write the dialogue into his scripts, Cavil can't just make up dialogue he'd like on the spot.
There were also enough actors, including popular ones who weren't fans of what happened during the last few seasons of Game of Thrones, including Emilia Clarke who was very upset about what they did to Daenerys at the end but they couldn't change it either.
So it seems he got tired of trying and decided to leave.
Not necessarily. Some actors show up, do what's in the script and then do the promo tour and answer the same question dozens of times per day and country, rinse and repeat. Some, maybe many, don't especially care if it's based on a novel, game or whatever and how close the show follows the original source.
Cavill, when it comes to Witcher, is the opposite it seems - he knows the original material, cares for it and has his own ideas what should be done. I'm sure he's realistic enough to know that he's not in charge and that he gets to be paid to act and not to write but there must have been things going on or said behind the scenes that made him walk out. I can't believe he did it on a whim or because his ego was hurt, this must have been a long time coming for him to leave a show he was so excited to do.
I doubt we will ever hear the exact reasons or details what happened, he's too professional for that but others on the production sure will talk, especially when the show ends or crashes before the scheduled end.
Yeah, which is what I mean. He likely had his own ideas of how to portray the character, and there's always some kind of interpretation that goes on whenever something is adapted, but while he may have wanted to do it justice and likely brought his concerns and thoughts to those in charge, but was probably frustrated that he couldn't do anything.. It must be heart-crushing.
I find it so incredible that X-men 97 and The Witcher are somehow linked now due to that writer from "The Witcher".
He wants a writers team of fans for X-men
He was not happy with the writing/direction in "The Witcher"
You wouldn't expect them to cross paths but they are.
Hemsworth has to know what he's getting into. This is like going into the 4th season of Game of Thrones and saying they're recasting Cersei with Blake Lively.
You mean Odysseus?
Yes, show Geralt does grunt a lot.
But comparing him to Odysseus makes sense to me. It's not "Conan" style brute strength--there's a morality and intelligence, as well as a weary sarcasm in the character that I appreciate.
I think my biggest complaint about the series, which overall I am enjoying, is that Geralt could be more similar to the books. But also, the series deviates from the books in odd places so we miss some great moments. I really missed watching Ciri stranded in the desert, for example.
