Do you know who came up with the concepts for Rey and "Hermit!Luke"?
George Lucas.
* sigh *
I wish people would stop repeating fallacious ideas that have been disproven.
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Do you know who came up with the concepts for Rey and "Hermit!Luke"?
George Lucas.
* sigh *
I wish people would stop repeating fallacious ideas that have been disproven.
Even if you remove the political dimension, the problem with the sequel trilogy is the new characters just don't stand on their own.
And TLJ, structurally, did everything in its power to suggest that it was the conclusion, all the way to broom-boy.
The combination of these two flaws are what makes it impossible for Episode IX to have a fitting conclusion. They have the writer of Batman v. Superman working on it so it is chock full of flashbacks and force-ghost dreamy sequences all intended to distract us from the fact that...the new characters don't resonate.
And what little I know about the new characters it looks like they're falling onto slash fetishism (reylo) to compensate.
And on top of this, throw a lot of empty spectacle.
The reason why ROTJ worked despite the ewoks is it was the culmination of 6 years of anticipation on these character arcs. There's just no real character arcing for these new characters. Nobody gives a damn about them going into the third film and added depth to them this late in the game is a waste of time.
The new trilogy is a failure no matter what Episode IX does. The film that was supposed to deepen things was Last Jedi and it failed in doing so as it was more interested in trolling fans with subverted expectations to concern itself with actual storycraft.
And TLJ, structurally, did everything in its power to suggest that it was the conclusion, all the way to broom-boy.
The combination of these two flaws are what makes it impossible for Episode IX to have a fitting conclusion. They have the writer of Batman v. Superman working on it so it is chock full of flashbacks and force-ghost dreamy sequences all intended to distract us from the fact that...the new characters don't resonate.
And what little I know about the new characters it looks like they're falling onto slash fetishism (reylo) to compensate.
And on top of this, throw a lot of empty spectacle.
The reason why ROTJ worked despite the ewoks is it was the culmination of 6 years of anticipation on these character arcs. There's just no real character arcing for these new characters. Nobody gives a damn about them going into the third film and added depth to them this late in the game is a waste of time.
The new trilogy is a failure no matter what Episode IX does. The film that was supposed to deepen things was Last Jedi and it failed in doing so as it was more interested in trolling fans with subverted expectations to concern itself with actual storycraft.
Speak for yourself, please. Rey and Finn are the two I am most eager to see in Episode IX.
Not overlooked by me.
It's just that the legend of Ford wanting to be killed off in VI led people to see his death in VII as somehow overdue, and thus it seems to have been overlooked by some that this meant Luke & Han would never share an onscreen moment post-Jedi.
I loathe bloody Force Awakens (really enjoyed Last Jedi though) and lost opportunity is a part of why.
Yeah, I care.
Not putting Mark, Harrison and Carrie together is going to be the biggest mistake this new trilogy made. I strongly suspect they would have had a "deaged" flashback scene in Episode IX but that's not going to happen. Would be cool if Mark and Harrison got a scene like that.
My biggest disappointment, along with that, is what I wanted to see the most is Luke's new Jedi Order. I wanted to see what he built. I didn't want a brand new character (and I like Rey a great deal) to be given Luke's original series storyline as the last Jedi.
My biggest disappointment, along with that, is what I wanted to see the most is Luke's new Jedi Order. I wanted to see what he built. I didn't want a brand new character (and I like Rey a great deal) to be given Luke's original series storyline as the last Jedi.
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The new movies can share similarities with another theoretical version and still be hugely different.
I would never have contemplated them not doing it. It's unfathomable.
If you'd told me in advance, I'd have assumed there was some undeniable justification for not doing it. Idiot that I am...
Same here, I've loved pretty much all of the Disney movies, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens to Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren, and BB-8.
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that we'll eventually get some kind of followup to Solo in some form, probably either a comic or novel since the movie didn't do as well as they wanted.
According to Mike Zeroh they ARE creating such a flashback, but because of Carrie being dead and Ford not agreeing to a cameo they are constructing 2/3rds of it via pure CGI and previous footage / audio clips so it's going to be nothing but a technical exercise in CGI wizardry.
God, I hope not. The people CGI in Rogue One was pitiful.
I disagree. The Tarkin CGI was excellent.
However, I do agree that what Mike Zeroh is describing sounds terrible and sounds like a bad idea.
Yeah, that is the biggest act of moronic stupidity the sequel trilogy committed.
Rey is my favorite character in the saga. When she force grabs the lightsaber in TFA I teared up from happiness.
Should I know this name?
I'm not sure you could be more wrong if you tried.
Rey, Finn, Kylo, and Poe are among the most popular characters in all of the SW franchise, with Rey rivaling Leia in popularity amongst female fans in general and eclipsing her in popularity amongst younger girl fans.
Every single woman I’m friends with and likes Star Wars adores Rey. The idea that she’s not popular is absurd.
And yet stores since 2015 have put more emphasis on advertising the 1977-1983 movie character range, with more of the new era characters not even being sold in the clearance section? In 2015, sure, it made sense, Ren with the stupid helmet and and the others were not yet established - nobody knows until the movie is aired, not even for cute collectible BB8 And Adam Driver does magic with some of the dialogue given, an unpredictable menace for sure. Actually, yeah, Rey, Finn, and Poe are well acted. The casting agents picked winners every single time in my book. Nobody's wooden, everybody is making their characters feel sincere despite the mimeograph non-script that was TFA. The actors are what kept my interest, they were good and one-upped where the plot was failing.
So I lost what point I was trying to make since my anecdote is on par with yours. But neither of us cited any source material. I'd seen one video but I'm not fond of that channel and I don't namedrop channels I dislike after a certain extent. Well, to be fair I forgot the outlet's name but I didn't need them to tell me what I had noticed firsthand in 2015 in terms of the legacy characters being given prominence (and, no, a primary trilogy movie series should be telling us, including the casual viewers, why C3P0 now has a red arm instead of getting everyone to waddle down to find the esoteric comic release. C3P0 isn't a side character. nor is this an anthology or secondary set of stories. (I don't work in the industry, I couldn't begin to compete with the professionals like Siskel and Ebert, but some of this seems pretty straightforward stuff!)
Didn't know there was some sort of contest going on or that females can only have female popular characters or males only being allowed male characters? And, yes, most young children are more likely going to relate to someone closer to their own relative attributes compared to the grandparents. There are exceptions but there's no such thing as 100%, let's see some graphs and underlying context. It's no different than how most awkward teenage boys found to be more relatable to Wesley over Picard even though adult fans all hated Wesley. Get rid of the kid and then the dynamic changes, since kids will still watch shows that don't have people just like them in it and find someone else to relate to or appreciate more than the others, personality can sometimes eclipse age relational value. Otherwise would TOS have lasted a third of a season, never mind three whole seasons? Never mind kids of all genders watching Wonder Woman and finding her to be a positive and action-packed role model, plenty existed in the 1970s and 1980s and Lynda Carter certainly felt a passion for the role, which helped divert people from some of the more insipid plots (e.g. many from season 3).
