The Scimitar

[All Seeing Eye]

The Reman Warbird Scimitar was without doubt one of the most powerful ships in the late 24th Century, it could easily take down a Sovereign class Starship and in Nemesis the only reason why they didnt was because they wanted picard alive. Now lets look at its ability, it had 52 disrupter banks, 27 photon torpedo launchers and primary AND secondary shielding which withstood the entire stockpile of the Enterprises torpedos and phasers, it had the perfect cloaking device completely undetectable to Federation sensors and the ship could fire whilst cloaked AND raise its shields whilst cloaked, not to mention the fact it had a Thalaron weapon which had it been taken out could have been replaced with even more disrupters and Shield generators.
So this ship was obviously the bees knees so its clearly Trek canon that the bigger the ship is and more weapons it has the more indestructable and kickass a ship is so this begs the question why dont the Romulans start building Scimitar class ships? they obviously have the technology to build these ships and you're not telling me the Remans are the only ones who had that technology because the Remans were miners and all technology was developed by the Romulans.
If the Romulan Empire built a fleet of Scimitars they would literally become the ultimate superpower of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and even the Gamma Quadrant, theres no way the Dominion could withstand any battle against a fleet of cloaked Scimitars blasting its 52 disrupter banks and torpedos, hell even the Borg would loose a few hundred cubes before likely adapting to them.

Was the Scimitar a bad idea to be introduced into Trek canon? should the ship in Nemesis have been a weaker ship? how can Trek writers completely ignore the technology of the Scimitar?

 

[StarMan]

Huh? Trek's been dead since Nemesis. There simply hasn't been an opportunity to "revisit" this period of Trek.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

StarMan said:
Huh? Trek's been dead since Nemesis. There simply hasn't been an opportunity to "revisit" this period of Trek.

How about the countless number of times we've seen the future.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Everytime we have seen the future things have been changed and never ends up happening that way.

Besides which the Scimitar is a Reman vessel, not Romulan. I have a feeling the Remans would pefer to die before letting the Romulans take their designs to use as their own.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Son_of_Soong said:
Besides which the Scimitar is a Reman vessel, not Romulan. I have a feeling the Remans would pefer to die before letting the Romulans take their designs to use as their own.

Doesnt matter about the design of the ship, the Romulans still have all the technology they need to rebuild a ship just as powerful, unless Starfleet can come up with an uber vessel of its own the Romulans could wipe out the Federation in no time at all, yet we know Starfleet exists hundreds of years in the future which means the Romulans havnt rebuilt any scimitars but it is a silly thing not to build a fleet of these things.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Do you know for a fact that the Romulans have acces to every single piece of technology the Remans have? They might live on sister planets but neither of them seem like the sharing type.

 

[JoeZhang]

Fire said:

StarMan said:
Huh? Trek's been dead since Nemesis. There simply hasn't been an opportunity to "revisit" this period of Trek.

How about the countless number of times we've seen the future.

em.. which was written in the past.. before Nemesis killed off that bit of the franchise..

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Son_of_Soong said:
Do you know for a fact that the Romulans have acces to every single piece of technology the Remans have? They might live on sister planets but neither of them seem like the sharing type.

The Remans were nothing more than slaves made to mine Dilithium that much is made blatantly obvious, they obviously didnt have their own scientific research labs because they were SLAVES, the only reason they managed to build the Scimitar is via help from the Romulan Military, ALL technology used by the Remans was Romulan tech, the Remans had no ability whatsoever to have developed their own technology therefore that advanced cloak is clearly available to the Romulans.

JoeZhang said:
em.. which was written in the past.. before Nemesis killed off that bit of the franchise..

em.. my point being the scimitar was too advanced to have been in Nemesis, for future writers in trek to ignore the technology of the scimitar is going to be hard to accept. Following 2375 or whatever year it was the Romulans are top dogs and capable of destroying the Federation and Klingons combined, in a single trek movie the Romulans have advanced to the point of mega superpower.

 

[JoeZhang]

em.. my point being the scimitar was too advanced to have been in Nemesis, for future writers in trek to ignore the technology of the scimitar is going to be hard to accept.

It has been ignored in the trek literature. Which leads me onto your next point:

Following 2375 or whatever year it was the Romulans are top dogs and capable of destroying the Federation and Klingons combined, in a single trek movie the Romulans have advanced to the point of mega superpower.

Which is not what has actually happened in the trek literature set after 2375 - the Romulan star empire has fallen in chaos with Rival factions ruling different sectors. It was even reduced to receiving food aid from the federation - hardly evidence of a "mega superpower".

 

[All Seeing Eye]

JoeZhang said:

Which is not what has actually happened in the trek literature set after 2375 -

Trek literature isnt canon.

 

[JoeZhang]

Trek literature isnt canon.

So what are we actually discussing then? because we have never seen anything after that time period on screen and are unlikely ever to do so - so the question is moot.

how can Trek writers completely ignore the technology of the Scimitar?

So if we are no talking about the books and nobody is producing any live action material set in that time period - which writers are we talking about?

 

[Photon]

I'm sure in the future, the Tal-Shiar has gotten the technology and will friggin use it b/c Sisko screwed them over in Pale Moolnlight.
Better start employing some of that future V'ger tech or the Feds will be in a war that they might not win.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Sure they were slaves but even slaves do stuff behind their masters backs. They do a lot more than just mine Dilithium.

Shinzon says in Nemesis "From building the Scimitar to secret base", he makes no mention of Romulan involvement in its construction. This tells me that the Scimitar is SOLELY a Reman vessel constructed in secret. The Scimitar certainly doesnt look like Romulan design, its the wrong colour, size and shape.

Besides which if the Romulans did build it like you suggest, why only send two ships to destroy it? Surely they would know its capabilities far outstretched their own. The fact they only sent two ships to destroy the Scimitar tells me the Romulan had just about nothing to do with its construction, or know anything about its capabilities.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Son_of_Soong said:
The fact they only sent two ships to destroy the Scimitar tells me the Romulan had just about nothing to do with its construction, or know anything about its capabilities.

because in the scene in the Romulan senate only those two Romulan commanders realised they were making a mistake which is why only their two ships went to attack the scimitar.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Even so they wouldn't be that stupid to start a fight they know they couldnt win. They would try to get other people to listen and join them.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

JoeZhang said:
So if we are no talking about the books and nobody is producing any live action material set in that time period - which writers are we talking about?

I think you're taking my original post out of context, I asked questions such as:

Was the Scimitar a bad idea to be introduced into Trek canon? should the ship in Nemesis have been a weaker ship? how can Trek writers completely ignore the technology of the Scimitar?

because I wanted other peoples opinions on whether it was a good idea to have such a powerful scimitar because with a ship like this if any future Trek series were to be produced post Nemesis its going to be highly unlikely they could possibly ignore the technology the Romulans possessed in which case unless they also make the Federation build bigger more uber ships theres no way the Romulans cant just wipe out the Federation.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

The Federation got the new torpedoes and hull plating Janeway brought back from the future anyway.

 

[JoeZhang]

because I wanted other peoples opinions on whether it was a good idea to have such a powerful scimitar because with a ship like this if any future Trek series were to be produced post Nemesis its going to be highly unlikely they could possibly ignore the technology the Romulans possessed in which case unless they also make the Federation build bigger more uber ships theres no way the Romulans cant just wipe out the Federation.

Yes there is - unless the next series was called "How the Star Empire destoryed the federation", then our heros will always find a way out - it can range from writers never makes any reference to it to any number of technobabble reasons.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Son_of_Soong said:
The Federation got the new torpedoes and hull plating Janeway brought back from the future anyway.

Which is something else that cant be ignored.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

JoeZhang said:

because I wanted other peoples opinions on whether it was a good idea to have such a powerful scimitar because with a ship like this if any future Trek series were to be produced post Nemesis its going to be highly unlikely they could possibly ignore the technology the Romulans possessed in which case unless they also make the Federation build bigger more uber ships theres no way the Romulans cant just wipe out the Federation.

Yes there is - unless the next series was called "How the Star Empire destoryed the federation", then our heros will always find a way out - it can range from writers never makes any reference to it to any number of technobabble reasons.

ignoring major canon like this would make any future trek series set post Nemesis complete wank.