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the probe in Star Trek IV is an evolved whale floating around in outer space

This would be an awesome opportunity for a "your mother's an evolved whale floating around in space" joke...

...but I won't do that because I don't want to get banned or generally chastised, nor do I want to insult someone's (anyone's) poor, defenseless, innocent mother.

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Which was delayed from sale for about 6 months because of the movie coming out.

No, nothing to do with ST IV's release. It was already out. it was delayed for almost a year because the Star Trek Office (ie. Richard Arnold vetting the tie-in novel manuscripts on GR's behalf) had a rethink on Margaret Wander Bonanno's already-approved proposal. The re-use of her original main characters from "Dwellers in the Crucible" were said to dominate the story. "Probe" was ordered to be rewritten, first by JM Dillard, and then by Gene DeWeese. The covers were already printed, so Bonanno's name remained, even though only 7% of her original story remained.

Her original version was released by the author as a PDF. "The Music of the Spheres".
 
IIRC The TVH novelization had some kind of dialog between the whales and the probe, and then the Probe novel went into more detail about the probe's origins or whatever.

Best thing about the probe in the film is that we didn't get any more explanation. We didn't need any dialog with the whales, we didn't need its backstory, the lack of details was just perfect.
 
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Best thing about the probe in the film is that we didn't get any more explanation. We didn't need any dialog with the whales, we didn't need its backstory, the lack of details was just perfect.

Very true. Some things don't need to be explained away. I'm amazed that the novel "Vendetta" didn't go the extra mile and claim that the space blob in "The Immunity Syndrome" was another intended anti-Borg weapon! (Not to mention Small Universe Syndrome - what seems appealing often isn't after a while...)
 
Well, it's not the worst fan theory ever, & I suppose it's possible, but I'm not feeling it. It's not as if the whale language would necessarily be a galactic universal among other planets' whales, such that it's at all likely the probe's intelligent life were whales simply because they spoke it. It's much more likely imho that they have their own language, whatever they are, & that they have translation going on, so to understand & communicate with Earth's whales.

The notion that they'd actually be whales is so far-fetched that if it were true, then it'd be just as likely that they are native Earth humpback speakers, & in that case it's just as possible that Earth's whales were actually of the same species from their origin world... which all seems really silly, considering homosapiens had been allowed to cause their extinction. You'd think if there were a direct link like that, between the probe intelligence & Earth's whales, that wouldn't have been allowed to happen.

Nah... I just always assumed it was an alien race, looking for signs of any language being used on Earth, at a time when the only one was whales, predating humans quite a while, made contact, kept the channel open, & when it stopped coming due to extinction, an expedition was sent to find out why, & it took until Kirk's era for it to arrive, some 200+ years later. After all, they didn't seem bothered by the number of whales speaking it having been reduced to 2. I'd imagine a spacefaring whale race might be kind of bothered by that

Which makes me wonder... We now know they have a language. Even Spock could meld with Gracie. It would be kind of cool to find out what developments that yielded, having made contact with a species on Earth itself, that predates humanity. You'd assume humans would be trying to figure out that language themselves now
 
Im surprised Spock didnt get a brain tumor or something from mind melding with something that big like the whale in Star Trek IV
 
Since it makes noises like a whale, the probe is pretty much an evolved whale that transformed and is floating around in outer space.

makes total sense
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It's super-nice that the whales didn't rat out humanity:
Whales to probe: "Sooo, we're being hunted to extinction by these humans. Anything you can do about that?"

Spock must have given them a memory wipe.
 
I'm happy with the Probe just being some kind of automated intelligence that didn't register humans or other non-aquatic lifeforms as significant and so was doing all the stuff to Earth in order to turn it back into primordial soup or something. Otherwise it's actions seem kind of unnecessarily cruel and kind of against the whole point of TVH that there's no real villain driving the story and just more 'your actions in the past/present can have disastrous results in the future', in my opinion.
 
It's super-nice that the whales didn't rat out humanity:
Whales to probe: "Sooo, we're being hunted to extinction by these humans. Anything you can do about that?".
I'm not even sold this alien life recognizes humanity at all, given how they just start sound blasting the whole damn planet apart, trying to literally unearth something to do with the missing whales, as if nothing of import were otherwise living on it at all.
I'm happy with the Probe just being some kind of automated intelligence that didn't register humans or other non-aquatic lifeforms as significant and so was doing all the stuff to Earth in order to turn it back into primordial soup or something.
I don't even give what they were doing that much credit. It seemed more to me like all that probe was doing was outputting their same signal, meant to communicate over lightyears, but it was so damn powerful, once in orbit, it just began blasting the whole damn planet apart. The only intent of the destruction in my mind was "CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?!?!?!"
 
Well, it's not the worst fan theory ever, & I suppose it's possible, but I'm not feeling it. It's not as if the whale language would necessarily be a galactic universal among other planets' whales, such that it's at all likely the probe's intelligent life were whales simply because they spoke it. It's much more likely imho that they have their own language, whatever they are, & that they have translation going on, so to understand & communicate with Earth's whales.

The notion that they'd actually be whales is so far-fetched that if it were true, then it'd be just as likely that they are native Earth humpback speakers, & in that case it's just as possible that Earth's whales were actually of the same species from their origin world... which all seems really silly, considering homosapiens had been allowed to cause their extinction. You'd think if there were a direct link like that, between the probe intelligence & Earth's whales, that wouldn't have been allowed to happen.

Nah... I just always assumed it was an alien race, looking for signs of any language being used on Earth, at a time when the only one was whales, predating humans quite a while, made contact, kept the channel open, & when it stopped coming due to extinction, an expedition was sent to find out why, & it took until Kirk's era for it to arrive, some 200+ years later. After all, they didn't seem bothered by the number of whales speaking it having been reduced to 2. I'd imagine a spacefaring whale race might be kind of bothered by that

Which makes me wonder... We now know they have a language. Even Spock could meld with Gracie. It would be kind of cool to find out what developments that yielded, having made contact with a species on Earth itself, that predates humanity. You'd assume humans would be trying to figure out that language themselves now

Where do you think Cetacean Ops came from? :D
 
This would be an awesome opportunity for a "your mother's an evolved whale floating around in space" joke...

...but I won't do that because I don't want to get banned or generally chastised, nor do I want to insult someone's (anyone's) poor, defenseless, innocent mother.

;):angel:
Thank you for your restraint in not making the joke, thus sparing me the embarrassment and shame of laughing at it.
 
It's super-nice that the whales didn't rat out humanity:
Whales to probe: "Sooo, we're being hunted to extinction by these humans. Anything you can do about that?"

Spock must have given them a memory wipe.

The whale he melded with wouldn’t know that.
 
I'm not even sold this alien life recognizes humanity at all, given how they just start sound blasting the whole damn planet apart

I assumed that the probe was doing that on purpose, deliberately trying to exterminate humanity in revenge for the extinction of the whales.
 
I assumed that the probe was doing that on purpose, deliberately trying to exterminate humanity in revenge for the extinction of the whales.
It's stated often that all the probe is doing is transmitting its communication signal at the Earth's oceans, but it's so powerful, at their range, it is disrupting all energy in its vicinity, on nearby ships & bases, and then ultimately, it's so forceful it's vaporizing the Earth's oceans & causing a water vapor cloud cover over the entire surface of the planet, which would spell doom for all life on it. None of this is deliberate action to cause harm. It's a side-effect of sending out their communication signal
 
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