Spoilers The Flash - Season 4

[dahj]

The show premiers in a week, and a new season preview interview with Andrew Kreisberg seems like a good excuse to start a new thread:

http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/03/flash-season-4-premiere-spoilers/

Don't remember if this has been confirmed before, but Harry will be the main Wells this season:

We’re picking up with Harry. We felt like we managed to pull off three different Wells in three years, and rather than just going and doing another Wells, we definitely felt there was more meat on the bone with Harry.

I also liked the bit about Iris taking on a more leadery role:

Grant is so funny this season. We’ve been having him do the funniest things, and Candice is really — making her the team leader, which unfortunately didn’t occur to us until this season, has really given her the agency on the show that she hasn’t always had. She’s always been smart, and funny, and proud, and brave, and eager, but she didn’t always have the authority that she has this season. It’s really nice to see her making decisions, and telling people where to go, and what to do, and Candice has really risen to the challenge, as we knew that she would.

The season's big bad is The Thinker:

This season, we worked really, really hard to really understand what the Thinker wants, and why he’s doing it, and how he’s going about it. As you’re watching these first episodes you really see that there’s a chess match going on. In the beginning, our guys don’t even realize that they’re playing against him, but then you watch as they’re realizing that somebody is manipulating events and pulling the strings, watching them move and countermove in episodes as it’s all building to a big confrontation.

 

[kirk55555]

I'm glad to see Harry return. I liked HR, but Harry is my favorite Wells and I've wanted to see more of him.

 

[USS Firefly]

So the Flash will FINALLY be the fastest man alive.... beside Wally?

 

[Myko]

Wait, which one was Harry? Earth-2 Wells?

 

[Scout101]

Yes.

 

[JD]

Glad to hear Harry will be the main Wells again, I liked him a lot.
It should be cool to see Iris in a leadership role.

 

[kirk55555]

As long as they are 100% done with the "Will They/Won't they" crap between Barry and Iris, I'll be happy. Moving on from that by making her team leader would be fine by me. The character has gotten better as the show has gone along, and she definitely has more common sense then Barry at least a good chunk of the time.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The only reason Iris seemed like an idiot in the early seasons was because the characters around her treated her like one.

 

[Gaith]

The only reason Iris seemed like an idiot in the early seasons was because the characters around her treated her like one.

Well, that and it took her almost the entire first season to realize Barry was the Flash.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Well, that and it took her almost the entire first season to realize Barry was the Flash.

That's still better than Lois Lane in... pretty much any version of the character.

At least Barry wears a mask (and therefore sorta hids his ID).

 

[Snaploud]

"two doctorates and a PhD"

A PhD is a type of doctorate, Cisco.

 

[Christopher]

I noticed that the opening credit text has changed from "Based on characters from DC Comics" to "Based on characters from DC." I guess that indicates that the company has changed its name to represent a multimedia focus rather than just comics, or something. And that makes me kind of sad.

The Samuroid was not convincing as a big enough threat to endanger the city. All it did was fly around and knock down a few cars and people. They should've done more to sell the urgency of his ultimatum.

I'm a little surprised that Wally kept the Kid Flash identity so long after the Flash was gone. I would've thought he'd be promoted into the senior Flash position, as it were, as the original Wally was after Barry died in the comics.

Also, we find out on Legends of Tomorrow just after this that Nate/Steel has been working as a superhero in Central City for the past 6 months. So why were Kid Flash and Vibe working alone? Why not bring Steel, and maybe Firestorm, onto Team Flash? Well, maybe that scene in LoT took place sometime before this episode. Still, I wish they'd coordinate these storylines better.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I noticed that the opening credit text has changed from "Based on characters from DC Comics" to "Based on characters from DC." I guess that indicates that the company has changed its name to represent a multimedia focus rather than just comics, or something. And that makes me kind of sad.

Didn't Marvel brand itself either as Marvel Entertainment or just plain Marvel for years now? Isn't this just DC catching up to Marvel. again.

The Samuroid was not convincing as a big enough threat to endanger the city. All it did was fly around and knock down a few cars and people. They should've done more to sell the urgency of his ultimatum.

It didn't simply push down sone people - it flew them feet in the air with a lot of force. (Didn't it leave a thin crater?).

And more than that, it STOPPED Central City's main superheroes. THAT is huge.

I'm a little surprised that Wally kept the Kid Flash identity so long after the Flash was gone. I would've thought he'd be promoted into the senior Flash position, as it were, as the original Wally was after Barry died in the comics.

Weren't you paying attention? Iris was really the only one who was thinking he was dead at that point.
In the comics, at least when I last read them regularly, Barry had died and was witnessed by at least a few (like Batman), so they could more definitively declare him dead.

Also, we find out on Legends of Tomorrow just after this that Nate/Steel has been working as a superhero in Central City for the past 6 months. So why were Kid Flash and Vibe working alone? Why not bring Steel, and maybe Firestorm, onto Team Flash? Well, maybe that scene in LoT took place sometime before this episode. Still, I wish they'd coordinate these storylines better.

Seriously??? It was the next show, with the timey wimey Legends there was no need to "coordinate". This is no different than comics being released at different times (especially if it is NOT a crossover.)
I thought the cameo was fun myself and I was not easily disturbed by this supposed miscoordination.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Kind of a resetting the pieces episode, OK as setup but not all that compelling on its own.

 

[tomalak301]

Wait the Sona is in the flash now?

That was one of the better episodes I’ve seen in a while. Felt like watching a season 1 episode and I appreciate it wasn’t so dark. Things basically reset but I was fine with it. I really do hope the gibberish isn’t an afterthought and Barry’s writings mean something. I don’t want this speed force storyline to be over. Not after the cliffhanger.

 

[Christopher]

I really do hope the gibberish isn’t an afterthought and Barry’s writings mean something.

I think they're glimpses of the future. The Speed Force transcends time, and some of his lines were quotes from past episodes, so it stands to reason that the unfamiliar lines were quotes from future episodes. Eventually, Cisco's going to realize that people are saying things that Barry said or wrote when he came back, and they'll figure out that he has future knowledge somewhere in his jumble of memories.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I loved this season premiere. I am so happy with how they reset Barry. Barry's past was thoroughly dealt with over 3 seasons. It was definitely time to move on. So I am glad that Barry won't have that emotional baggage anymore. I also love that Barry is faster and seems more confident. It is definitely time for us to get a mature, confident Flash now. I am also really excited for the new villain. The Thinker looks really cool. And it will be a nice change of pace not to have a speedster villain again. We also got some nice character moments. This show has heart!

 

[Romulan_spy]

I think they're glimpses of the future. The Speed Force transcends time, and some of his lines were quotes from past episodes, so it stands to reason that the unfamiliar lines were quotes from future episodes. Eventually, Cisco's going to realize that people are saying things that Barry said or wrote when he came back, and they'll figure out that he has future knowledge somewhere in his jumble of memories.

I wonder if Barry's knowledge of the future will be the key to defeating The Thinker?

 

[Tuskin38]

I think they're glimpses of the future. The Speed Force transcends time, and some of his lines were quotes from past episodes, so it stands to reason that the unfamiliar lines were quotes from future episodes. Eventually, Cisco's going to realize that people are saying things that Barry said or wrote when he came back, and they'll figure out that he has future knowledge somewhere in his jumble of memories.

He did mention something about Diapers.


Anyways, first video is a preview for next week's episode, second i video I think might just be a general season preview?

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[Christopher]

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