The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened?

[gastrof]

EQUINOX ran (both parts) on SPIKE today.

Towards the end, I don't know if I dozed off for a second or just plain vegged while I was watching, but after the Equinox captain tries to be a good guy again, suddenly "our" Doctor appears, confronts his "evil twin", and orders the computer to "delete the Equinox EMH".

Ummm...

Wasn't it OUR Doctor who'd been operating on Seven, after having his morals erased? (His conversation with Seven at the end confirmed it had been, so no memory glitches on the part of the writers.)

If his morals had been erased (or at least shut down for a time), why in the world did he suddenly "attack" the Equinox EMH?

Did I miss a scene, or did the Equinox captain do something that got edited out in the Spike version? Something that restored the Doctor's morals/ethics? I just don't recall seeing him do anything like that.

Those of you who have the eppies memorized, or who have the DVDs....

HELP!

 

[trekkier]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

maybe going back to the "voy" sickbay reset his morality progamming?

 

[Sisu]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

It has been ages since I saw it, but wasn't it his memories that played a part in it? Even without ethical subroutines, he had an idea of right from wrong.

 

[cylkoth]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

gastrof said:
EQUINOX ran (both parts) on SPIKE today.

Towards the end, I don't know if I dozed off for a second or just plain vegged while I was watching, but after the Equinox captain tries to be a good guy again, suddenly "our" Doctor appears, confronts his "evil twin", and orders the computer to "delete the Equinox EMH".

Ummm...

Wasn't it OUR Doctor who'd been operating on Seven, after having his morals erased? (His conversation with Seven at the end confirmed it had been, so no memory glitches on the part of the writers.)

If his morals had been erased (or at least shut down for a time), why in the world did he suddenly "attack" the Equinox EMH?

Did I miss a scene, or did the Equinox captain do something that got edited out in the Spike version? Something that restored the Doctor's morals/ethics? I just don't recall seeing him do anything like that.

Those of you who have the eppies memorized, or who have the DVDs....

HELP!

We can only assume that they restored his program before transferring him back to Voyager. It only took a couple of button presses to take turn off his morality/ethics subroutines, so it's not like trying to run System Restore on a Windows pc...
Though with the Doctor striving to be recognized as a sentient being, deserving of basic rights, he was a little quick on employing lethal force on a fellow hologram.
However we don't quite know just how evolved the Equinox doctor became-but the question of whether he'd become 'alive' as the Doctor, is something that would have been nice if he'd wondered about. I guess, since Doc examined all the experiments the Equinox EMH performed, he probably would have known whether the E's EMH was alive or still just a program.

 

[gastrof]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

I never even thought about that...the implications of him "executing" the other EMH.

I've always assumed that the Doctor's very existence (and his being able to grow into being a real person) was an outgrowth of the accidental creation of the sentient Moriarty on Enterprise D.

Once Starfleet's engineers found out it was possible to make a holographic artificial lifeform that was REALLY alive (sentient), they must have realized how useful such a person might be on a starship, and so the EMH program was created. Being left on for so long so often (with the deaths of Voyager's medical people), he for sure became "real".

It seems the matter of being left on for longer than intended seems to be the turning point with the EMHs becoming fully sentient. (Remember "our" Doctor's protests early on about nobody bother to deactivate him? He actually felt ANNOYED. The fact that this caused him to feel anything shows he'd already gotten on the road to being alive.)

Notice also the other EMHs with the Doctor's face who were reprogrammed to work in mines. Being on for extended periods seems to have also caused them to become "alive", so much so that they secretly passed amongst themselves material they'd rather the humans not know they had.

Notice that the Equinox apparently also had no flesh and blood doctor? (We can assume it either had only an EMH originally, or like Voyager lost their physician after arriving in the Delta Quadrant.) The fact he also would have been "on" for an extended period makes me wonder just how much of a person he might have also been. Of course, having absolutely no morals, no conscience, this "person" is left as sort of an enigma. With his morals shut down, would he have actually developed into a truly sentient being like Voyager's Dcotor, or the miners?

Still...to just DESTROY him...

Of course, this person was also very dangerous due to having no ethical subroutines, something "our" Doctor knew very well. Knowing what he himself was willing to do in that state, he may have been the only one to know for sure if the other EMH should be destroyed.

Especially if at that moment it was the only way to stop him.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

The Equinox Doctor was telling equinox where to shoot and giving them shield harmonic stuff... but yeah, he was murdered for being loyal to the 7 crewmen still alive on Equinox at the expense of the 150 on Voyager all because probably he the HELL didn't want his ethics back... because winding back to his programs original settings, or back to before he became interesting, was also murder.

 

[gastrof]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

Murdered, or executed?

If he'd been flesh and blood and there was no way to stun him to stop him, what would a Starfleet security officer have been authorized to do under the same circumstances?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

Exactly what the doctor did.

Execution bares an air of legality. The Doctor was not duly empowered to do anything other than save his ship and... he could have just "deactivated" him in or turned his voice off or locked him in a loop or trapped him in a buffer or the holodeck... No matter that you've got the opportunity to whack a right (*&^, there are still rules of engagement to be concerned about and questions of unreasonable force.

but then considering his program was going to be stripped and peeled and dissected to see how everything went so wrong... Maybe it was a mercy killing? Nah. The Doctor was just transferringhis guilt. Smug bugger.

 

[Akiraprise]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

The Equinox EMH was never deleted completely from the hard drive. They didn't empty the recycle bin. So no murder. Sorry to disappoint.

The Equinox EMH became the backup EMH module we saw in Living Witness. Remember how the crew couldn't create two doctors? Well, now they have a spare. :thumbsup:

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

That's a damn good call.

I had always blamed that on 29th century codecs allowing for lego to look like duplo.

 

[RainCrystal]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

At first I thought he already had security programmes to avoid anyone trying to delete his ethical sub routines. Also I first thought he was pretending to be bad... and then I watched it again and realised that problem too.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: The Doctor at the end of "Equinox, pt 2"...what happened

After starling *&^%ed him over, you would think so.