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Supergirl - Season Four

See, I would've said that Supergirl is closer to the more playful, workplace-comedy tone of Lois & Clark (especially in season 1 when CatCo was more central) than to the dour, moody tone of Smallville. Maybe the last three seasons of Smallville, where it essentially became a Superman show without the costume, were somewhat closer, but for the most part I find the shows very different.
 
Smallville is still the best live action Superman related show by a mile in my opinion, not that its competition makes that very hard. It had the best TV cast, the best TV Superman (well, Clark technically), best live action tV (or movie) Lois, and once it was out of its admittedly mediocre High School years it had the best TV versions of a lot of the DC Universe, doing stuff like the JSA and Legion of Superheroes so well the Arrowverse should be ashamed of how badly it fucked them up compared to a show much older then them.

It didn't do everything better (Supergirl has a better Martian Manhunter, Arrow and Flash have a better, well Green Arrow and Flash), but it did a lot pretty well as it went on, and it did a lot well that Supergirl and the other Arrowverse shows have done really badly. Hell, it even did romance better then Supergirl, which is saying something because I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville and never once gave a shit about Lana Lang, even though the show really did.

One thing I think it tied with the Arrowverse is Supergirl herself. I like the "arrives on Earth as an adult/older teen Supergirl who is supposed to protect Clark" version that Smallville had, and her actress was pretty good, and Benoist's Supergirl, taken outside of the overall lack of quality of her show, is different but also good. The Jimmy's of both shows are also good, for completely different reasons. Lex was also great, but Supergirl doesn't really have an equivalent (although comparing Luthors, Lex in Smallville is much better then Lena).

Smallville had its problems (like a lot of the early years, the show being idiots about him flying, etc) but it did a lot of stuff right as the show went on, and generally had a higher level of writing quality (at least in the second half of the show).
 
It's unfortunate given the messages of the show re: equality, inclusion, and so on and the nature of our times that they have essentially dropped the reporter angle from the show. Seems more timely than ever to explore that angle.
 
It's unfortunate given the messages of the show re: equality, inclusion, and so on and the nature of our times that they have essentially dropped the reporter angle from the show. Seems more timely than ever to explore that angle.

The new character Nia Nal is described as "the newest addition to the CatCo reporting team. A soulful young transgender woman with a fierce drive to protect others, Nia’s journey this season means fulfilling her destiny as the superhero Dreamer (much like Kara came into her own as Supergirl)." Which sounds like they plan to give her an arc that resonates with Kara's season-1 arc, suggesting that the journalism angle will not be ignored.
 
Apparently Rhona Mitra is joining the show as villainess Mercy Graves. And apparently we're getting a new version of Otis as well.

He HAS to meet Miss Tessbacher at some point!
 
Whatever happened to the grumpy guy who was Kara's editor? I think his name was called Snapper or something. I would like to see them bring him back if they are going to put more focus on news reporting. He did something so few of the characters do on the show and that is provide some internal conflict. He is like the one guy who isn't everyone's friend yet also isn't a villian.

Jason
 
Why would they need to show that? It's self-evident that it's in a different continuity. The way it's portrayed Kara, Clark, J'onn, the Luthors, Krypton, and the other elements shared between the shows has always been entirely different. Anyone who would still think at this point that there could be any connection has not been paying attention to Supergirl or has forgotten the specifics of Smallville.

The Arrowverse shows draw both on the comics and on the entire legacy of prior screen adaptations. Smallville is just one of the many, many Superman adaptations out there -- a long-running one, yes, but an often quite mediocre and problematic one, and hardly so dominant in the pantheon that another adaptation would need to go out of its way to assert its separation from it.

Curious reaction. I remember you specifically not being happy about the reference to Chloe Sullivan and her Wall of Weird during the flashback episode early last season. Because you thought it could wrongly be interpreted by some people as implying shared continuity.

Obviously this show is it’s own continuity. It picks and chooses elements from many previous incarnations and leaves out whatever the writers choose. Adding their own ingredients with the end result being something similar but different and unique. That is always how it is with characters that span mutltiple interpretations over the decades.
 
Whatever happened to the grumpy guy who was Kara's editor? I think his name was called Snapper or something.

Lucas "Snapper" Carr, who was named for the Justice League of America's civilian-mascot character in the '60s and '70s comics (basically the equivalent of Jimmy Olsen to Superman or Rick Jones to the Hulk and other Marvel characters, or the antecedent of Wendy and Marvin in Superfriends). I'm not sure why they called him that, given that he had essentially nothing in common with Snapper Carr and was basically a pastiche of Lou Grant.


Obviously this show is it’s own continuity. It picks and chooses elements from many previous incarnations and leaves out whatever the writers choose. Adding their own ingredients with the end result being something similar but different and unique. That is always how it is with characters that span mutltiple interpretations over the decades.

That's my point. The show doesn't need to "go out of its way" to set itself apart from Smallville, because that's a given already. It just is different from Smallville, without needing to make a special effort to underline the fact.
 
Season 4 Brings Back Kara the Reporter

“Kara Danvers the reporter is going to be as big of a hero this season as Supergirl,” executive producer Jessica Queller previewed during the show’s San Diego Comic-Con panel on Saturday. The EP promised that there will be “a lot of CatCo.” as journalism is “going to be a big part of the season.”

aka "We need to save on the budget, so we're adding some more shitty Catco drama like season 1 had so we don't have to pay as much for special effects".
 
aka "We need to save on the budget, so we're adding some more shitty Catco drama like season 1 had so we don't have to pay as much for special effects".
Or aka, "The show lost track almost completely of Kara's civilian identity last season, which is a crucial component of the character (just as Clark Kent is to Superman), and we're going to address that imbalance. We will also be using journalism as a vehicle to explore topical issues, which we will pursue with subtlety, skill, and nuance." (Okay, I made up that last part.)
 
Why would they need to go to the paper to save money? They could just as easy hang around the DEO if they wanted for a few bottle episodes.

Jason
 
I wouldn't say they "lost track" of Kara's civilian identity -- rather, it was a defining plot point of the season (at least the first half) that Kara was choosing to detach herself from that side of her life. She did eventually work through the feelings that motivated her to do that, but by that point she was so caught up in all the stuff with Reign and the Legion and eventually Kandor that she -- and the show -- never really found time to reconnect. I don't deny that led to some of the show's key elements being sidelined, but that was less a matter of neglect and more a choice of the overarching theme of the season. But it's good that they -- and Kara -- are trying to recover that balance again for season 4.
 
Or rather Argo played into Kara's story arc quite nicely--in that it forced her to re-examine her own identity.
 
Or rather Argo played into Kara's story arc quite nicely--in that it forced her to re-examine her own identity.

Yeah, but it felt to me like there was a disconnect between that and the earlier arc of Kara trying to leave her Earth identity behind. It would've landed better as a payoff to that arc if there hadn't been that sizeable gap in between them where it wasn't really addressed.
 
I don't understand why they brought in the Adrain Pasdor character and then do nothing with him. Couldn't they have teamed him up with Reign or something. Also I think the biggest issue was the Supergirl love triangle. Only in typical tradition the show likes to avoid conflict so it was the most polite love triangle ever. Which is really boring way to go.

Jason
 
I don't understand why they brought in the Adrain Pasdor character and then do nothing with him.

I suspect it's because Pasdar's Glenn Talbot got a major arc on Agents of SHIELD so he wasn't available for the back half of Supergirl's season. So SG had to put their plans for Morgan Edge on hold. (This is also why we haven't seen Agent Vasquez of the DEO in a while -- because her MCU doppelganger Agent Piper of SHIELD got an increased role on AoS.)


Also I think the biggest issue was the Supergirl love triangle. Only in typical tradition the show likes to avoid conflict so it was the most polite love triangle ever. Which is really boring way to go.

Anything else would've been out of character. Kara isn't a spiteful or vindictive person, and Imra admired her as a legendary historical figure and personal role model.
 
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