Best as I could recall the original song in 10 mins time.
I should of looked for the lyrics, memory is a bit rusty.
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Best as I could recall the original song in 10 mins time.
I should of looked for the lyrics, memory is a bit rusty.
- W -
* Feel free to add to the song folks *
I think it is fantastic, Woulfe! Now record it and put it on YouTube 
ST-One
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The very look of it is evidence enough.
The new model is pretty impressive, detail-wise. I'm glad they kept the glowing sensor dome on the bottom of the saucer.
I'm on the fence between liking and disliking the new ship at this point. There are some elements that a really dumb looking, like the lack of hull thickness on the front of the neck. Or maybe that's just a huge fold in the hull, but...why?
Same goes for the huge wrinkle down the engine hull. Eliminate those and make the pylons straight and I wouldn't have any major complaints.
Well, the new deflector would still look like a big neon covered umbrella, but I guess that's a Trek tradition at this point.
Well, all the viewscreens look like windows to me. And yet, they are not.
For me, there are there major things that strongly imply it's not a window. If someone can come up with a coherent argument why these are trumped by 'it looks like a window' (no shit, really?) I'd like to hear it.
1. The last picture I posted, which clearly shows that the viewscreen is not a part of the wall. It looks like it’s in a free-standing frame, much like those circuit-board glass panels behind the hostess. If it’s a window, it would have to be inset into the hull really far, and yet, from the Spock image, there is no outer hull wall visible. Physically, this makes the window theory impossible.
2. No window on the exterior of the model. There’s really no two ways about it.
3. The newer image of Spock/viewer seems to imply that the exterior view we see is panning across the ship’s hull.
I'm on the fence between liking and disliking the new ship at this point. There are some elements that a really dumb looking, like the lack of hull thickness on the front of the neck. Or maybe that's just a huge fold in the hull, but...why?
Same goes for the huge wrinkle down the engine hull. Eliminate those and make the pylons straight and I wouldn't have any major complaints.
Well, the new deflector would still look like a big neon covered umbrella, but I guess that's a Trek tradition at this point.
Well, all the viewscreens look like windows to me. And yet, they are not.
For me, there are there major things that strongly imply it's not a window. If someone can come up with a coherent argument why these are trumped by 'it looks like a window' (no shit, really?) I'd like to hear it.
1. The last picture I posted, which clearly shows that the viewscreen is not a part of the wall. It looks like it’s in a free-standing frame, much like those circuit-board glass panels behind the hostess. If it’s a window, it would have to be inset into the hull really far, and yet, from the Spock image, there is no outer hull wall visible. Physically, this makes the window theory impossible.
2. No window on the exterior of the model. There’s really no two ways about it.
3. The newer image of Spock/viewer seems to imply that the exterior view we see is panning across the ship’s hull.
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You've sold me. Although I thought it was a window with a HUD, you're absolutely right about the way it seems to stand out from the wall, pan, and has no acceptable outer side on the ship. They're depicting a visual display technology that's so good it looks like a window. I could use a couple of them in my house.
You've sold me. Although I thought it was a window with a HUD, you're absolutely right about the way it seems to stand out from the wall, pan, and has no acceptable outer side on the ship. They're depicting a visual display technology that's so good it looks like a window. I could use a couple of them in my house.
I think it is fantastic, Woulfe! Now record it and put it on YouTube
Unfortunately I can't carry a tune in a paper bag....
So unless you want all glass breaking all over the planet....
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* Who's singing is more like howling, no wonder he plays a wolf online, wah wah wah
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This picture, which I'd forgotten about, clearly shows a pretty deep alcove to the side of the viewer. Which means the viewer is pretty far away from the ship's hull, and cannot be a widow.
Is that the bridge? The window seems small compared to the one in the latest trailer.
The view in the trailer was looking more or less straight at the viewscreen from behind the captain's chair. This shot is taken from an angle and the viewscreen is partially obscured; there's more of it than you can see here.
This picture, which I'd forgotten about, clearly shows a pretty deep alcove to the side of the viewer. Which means the viewer is pretty far away from the ship's hull, and cannot be a widow.
Is that the bridge? The window seems small compared to the one in the latest trailer.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
1. All we can see is that this window has a very thick frame on the inside of the hull.
2. Execpt for the teaser trailer we haven't seen that part of the ship. And even there there is an opening which could represent that window.
I dunno...I'm beginning to lean more towards there being a viewscreen on the bridge and a window in a room below the bridge (ready-room maybe?).
That picture of the crew (sans Spock) is showing the bridge viewscreen, and that pic of Spock standing in front of a screen or window is from the room below the bridge.
MisterPL posted an image of a possible window (although I think MisterPL is saying that this window is located on the bridge, not a "ready-room".:
That picture of the crew (sans Spock) is showing the bridge viewscreen, and that pic of Spock standing in front of a screen or window is from the room below the bridge.
MisterPL posted an image of a possible window (although I think MisterPL is saying that this window is located on the bridge, not a "ready-room".:
ST-One
Vice Admiral
I dunno...I'm beginning to lean more towards there being a viewscreen on the bridge and a window in a room below the bridge (ready-room maybe?).
That picture of the crew (sans Spock) is showing the bridge viewscreen, and that pic of Spock standing in front of a screen or window is from the room below the bridge.
MisterPL posted an image of a possible window (although I think MisterPL is saying that this window is located on the bridge, not a "ready-room".:
It looks very much like the same thing (same frame and light-stripes around it).
And, if you look at the trailer, in the sequence when the ship drops out of warp we see some nice lighting effects coming from the right side of the frame (where that glass door leads to an adjacent room with one of the other big windows), created (probably) by the debris blocking the sun's light.
The ship is moving very slowly ffs. Surely a ship in motion is more plausible than 'the viewscreen is 'panning to the right very slowly'
The only shot of the saucer we have is from the teaser trailer. That Enterprise also has holes in the hull everywhere, does that mean it's the final version? No. Maybe they updated the model since work started on that trailer almost two years ago?
Then I offer this for your consideration:
Forget the blurred stars -- what about the "NCC-1701" that is in a different position in each of these pictures? A moving ship would not account for this.
Of course, an easy explanation may be that the publicity photo given to trekmovie.com and the one given to Empire are supposed to be the same, but the SXF (the background) were "tweaked" a bit in one of them.
Spock seems to have not moved at all from one pic to the other, so it may be difficult to claim that these are two separate movie frames -- one chronologically later than the other -- showing the viewscreen's "camera" panning across the saucer.
But, hey, it is still possible that's what we are seeing here, and Spock was just standing relatively still. I'm not saying I necessarily believe this to be true, but we don't know enough yet to say either way.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Then I offer this for your consideration:
Forget the blurred stars -- what about the "NCC-1701" that is in a different position in each of these pictures? A moving ship would not account for this.
Of course, an easy explanation may be that the publicity photo given to trekmovie.com and the one given to Empire are supposed to be the same, but the SXF (the background) were "tweaked" a bit in one of them.
Spock seems to have not moved at all from one pic to the other, so it may be difficult to claim that these are two separate movie frames -- one chronologically later than the other -- showing the viewscreen's "camera" panning across the saucer.
But, hey, it is still possible that's what we are seeing here, and Spock was just standing relatively still. I'm not saying I necessarily believe this to be true, but we don't know enough yet to say either way.
As you said yourself, Spock is in the very same position and posture in both pictures. This alone tells us that it is actually the same frame with only the saucer-(VFX)-element changed.
If these were indeed two different frames of a longer sequence, the the motion blur would be far stronger on the background elements.
Then I offer this for your consideration:
Forget the blurred stars -- what about the "NCC-1701" that is in a different position in each of these pictures? A moving ship would not account for this.
Of course, an easy explanation may be that the publicity photo given to trekmovie.com and the one given to Empire are supposed to be the same, but the SXF (the background) were "tweaked" a bit in one of them.
Spock seems to have not moved at all from one pic to the other, so it may be difficult to claim that these are two separate movie frames -- one chronologically later than the other -- showing the viewscreen's "camera" panning across the saucer.
But, hey, it is still possible that's what we are seeing here, and Spock was just standing relatively still. I'm not saying I necessarily believe this to be true, but we don't know enough yet to say either way.
As you said yourself, Spock is in the very same position and posture in both pictures. This alone tells us that it is actually the same frame with only the saucer-(VFX)-element changed.
If these were indeed two different frames of a longer sequence, the the motion blur would be far stronger on the background elements.
Exactly, it's the same shot, where they redid the VFX. The Empire pic is probably the correct, final version, with the NCC-1701 lined up with the window
That window is lit up in the trailer. (If you squint, you can see Abrams doing our childhoods doggy-style. He's wearing a sombrero to mock us.)
And what people are perceiving as a motion blur on those stars looks to me like a trick of the lens, something someone mentioned earlier.
As for the hull perspective, either there's a change in the camera image providing that vantage point (IE - it's panning) or the FX shot simply changed.
May is gonna SO much fun.
This picture, which I'd forgotten about, clearly shows a pretty deep alcove to the side of the viewer. Which means the viewer is pretty far away from the ship's hull, and cannot be a widow.
Is that the bridge? The window seems small compared to the one in the latest trailer.
Yeah, it's the bridge. This shot, for me, proves it's not a window, since it's clearly not a part of the wall (bulkhead), but instead appears to be free-standing, with a frame around it.
Look folks, I'm not prejudiced against windows or something. I think it's great that the KELVIN has three windows, since it helps set it up as a low-tech cousin of the Enterprise. I wouldn't be terribly upset if the Enterprise bridge had a window too, but it just ain't there.
Sorry, but I'm not convinced otherwise by assumptions like this:
Those three ports were on the TMP ship as well. They are clearly NOT windows on the the bridge (where's the turbolift supposed to go?!)
Also, they appear to be on deck 2.
Huh? I was talking about the view panning across the ship's hull. The stars back this up, but the main point is that the angle on the hull changes.